3D gaimg of ATI hardware

CAPS LOCK · 29th March 2010, 6:47 PM

I've seen numerous questions about this topic, and i was hoping that this may be an alternative for people who are considering going back to nVidia just for 3D.

http://www.iz3d.com/

The pros:

3D support (like nVidida) on ATI systems.
free drivers

The Cons:

Need an iz3D monitor and Glasses.
Monitor is only 22".
Monitor costs $349 (american)
NO SUPPORT FOR CROSSFIRE

To unlock extra driver features, you need to buy a software license.(free for ATI users)

So, what do you think?

Mau1wurf1977 · 29th March 2010, 7:04 PM

I would go Nvidia for 3D

DavyG · 29th March 2010, 7:20 PM

I installed their analygraph driver. I just need to wait for a pair of 3D glasses from DealExtreme to arrive to test it.
I'm gonna try analygraph first before I go any further with 3D. It's a big investment.

bakasan · 29th March 2010, 7:34 PM

3d is a gimmick atm. You really need 3d specific created games and really for me it needs to be achieved without silly expensive glasses. I'm going to wait till there is an industry standard for 3d gaming and games developed for it which I'm sure will come in the next few years.

I've come to the conclusion that gaming on the PC is pretty much dead in comparison to the xbox360 so I look forward to the next console which I hope will have 3d tech built in.I've given up on the pc for gaming.. My current upgrade just done will probably last a decade.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyG

I'm gonna try analygraph first before I go any further with 3D. It's a big investment.

Make sure you get the right version. There are two different ones. Gotta match it up with what your driver will produce.

quokka_00152 · 29th March 2010, 7:53 PM

Ive used the nvidia route for 3D gaming for a few months now and was really enjoying it until my GPU died, however in that time I found it to really make games more engrossing but it does depend on what games you play.

Source games like TF2 and L4D work great with it and I always use it in these games, I even find myself moving my head to avoid incoming rockets and zombie arms at times too! - audiosurf is another game it works great in.

However it doesnt add much to RTS, and RPG games (like ME2) id be just has happy to play standard. Enabling it on newer games is also very taxing on the GPU, but in those instances the 120mhz monitor just shines in its own right!

However with the monitor and shutter glasses it is a very expensive excursion, and some people do get headaches from using it after a few hours (reducing the 3D depth does help somewhat). Ive not had this problem though.

iNoob · 29th March 2010, 7:58 PM

3d "gaimg" imo is a piece of crap. Seriously what developer wants to put time into a technology that will most likely be meh after a few minutes.

SLATYE · 29th March 2010, 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by iNoob

3d "gaimg" imo is a piece of crap. Seriously what developer wants to put time into a technology that will most likely be meh after a few minutes.

Ideally the developer shouldn't have to do anything. The game already tells the video card where objects are in the world. Normally the video card uses that information to figure out what's visible and how different things have to be scaled (because distant objects are smaller). As soon as that's done the video card throws the depth information away and renders a 2D image.

For 3D, all it has to do is keep that depth information for a bit longer and use it to render a second image with a slightly shifted perspective.

Still, I won't go for 3D in this generation. Either it'll die out completely or it'll get better. If it dies out, I've saved money. If it gets better then I'll end up with something better when I do upgrade.

bakasan · 29th March 2010, 8:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLATYE

Ideally the developer shouldn't have to do anything. The game already tells the video card where objects are in the world. Normally the video card uses that information to figure out what's visible and how different things have to be scaled (because distant objects are smaller).

That'll never happen properly without the developer providing at least hints. It wouldn't be hard marking an objects depth etc inrelation to other objects while encoding the object but to do it auto will never give you the optimum effect needed. 3D works when there are varying fields of depth. You can't guess that really without more info.

porridge · 30th March 2010, 3:15 AM

I cant see it taking off until the mainstream of consumers have access to affordable 120hz screens. Also multimonitor setups will probably become more common and people would be wanting 3d on all screens at once.

The only way I see 3d gaming to become the norm quickly is if the next generation of consoles to adopt it and have support in place for developers.

lionman · 30th March 2010, 4:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavyG

I installed their analygraph driver. I just need to wait for a pair of 3D glasses from DealExtreme to arrive to test it.
I'm gonna try analygraph first before I go any further with 3D. It's a big investment.

I doubt glasses off deal extreme would work.

This tech isn't like the movies with polarisation. It uses active glasses that cost a bucket load...

RHCP · 30th March 2010, 4:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lionman

I doubt glasses off deal extreme would work.

This tech isn't like the movies with polarisation. It uses active glasses that cost a bucket load...

Anaglyph is the poor mans 3d. It uses red/blue shaded glasses.

zehoo · 30th March 2010, 5:16 AM

Playing in stereo 3D is great :P. The games you tend to get issues with are the ones that overlay a 2D effect on a 3D environment so when you see the world in stereo the 2D effect is out of context. The newest Wolfenstien is a prime example of this.

DavyG · 30th March 2010, 7:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lionman

I doubt glasses off deal extreme would work.

This tech isn't like the movies with polarisation. It uses active glasses that cost a bucket load...

I can't go wrong for $2.

TaroT · 30th March 2010, 8:03 AM

i.ve ben using the iz3d drivers for awhile and it depends on the game quite a bit.
batman works well as does most unreal 3 engined games ut3 especially.
but
you have to use the red/greenie blue glasses like the ones that came in sharkboy or final destiantion 4
the red blue would just make it washed out and you have to do fine adjustments but once you do it works quite well.

also NO AA or the fps drop alot(unless you ahve amonster card

i only have a 4870 1gig so i suffered a bit.
street fighter was also a good one to test as when setup right it looked great.

now total cost
$0

as for the iz3d panels yes they are a bit dear but then again so is nvidia so for now i,ll stick with the free approach until the big 3d tvs come out

29th March 2010, 6:47 PM	#1
CAPS LOCK Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Newcastle, NSW Posts: 258	3D gaimg of ATI hardware I've seen numerous questions about this topic, and i was hoping that this may be an alternative for people who are considering going back to nVidia just for 3D. http://www.iz3d.com/ The pros: 3D support (like nVidida) on ATI systems. free drivers The Cons: Need an iz3D monitor and Glasses. Monitor is only 22". Monitor costs $349 (american) NO SUPPORT FOR CROSSFIRE To unlock extra driver features, you need to buy a software license.(free for ATI users) So, what do you think? __________________ Phenom II 550BE @ 3.81 (18.5x206) (stock HSF, Didnt unlock) \| GA-770T-UD3P \| G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL8D 4GB @ 1600+ (8:8:8:24) \| WD Green 500GB \| Sapphire HD4870 512mb @ 830\|1020 \| Chipped ORIGINAL Xbox (w/ 500Gb HDD running XBMC) + Chipped Wii\| Antec 200 \| AOC 2236VW 21.5" Monitor \| Thermaltake EVO_Blue 650W \| Flashed XBOX360 + Nintendo DS w/R4DS TF2 @ GamersUN Dustbowl (CAPSLOCK or CAPS) \| Jailbroken Ipod 2G 16gb + Flashed Xbox 360 \|

29th March 2010, 7:04 PM	#2
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29th March 2010, 7:58 PM	#6
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30th March 2010, 8:03 AM	#14
TaroT Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hazelbrook nsw 2779 Posts: 6,516	i.ve ben using the iz3d drivers for awhile and it depends on the game quite a bit. batman works well as does most unreal 3 engined games ut3 especially. but you have to use the red/greenie blue glasses like the ones that came in sharkboy or final destiantion 4 the red blue would just make it washed out and you have to do fine adjustments but once you do it works quite well. also NO AA or the fps drop alot(unless you ahve amonster card i only have a 4870 1gig so i suffered a bit. street fighter was also a good one to test as when setup right it looked great. now total cost $0 as for the iz3d panels yes they are a bit dear but then again so is nvidia so for now i,ll stick with the free approach until the big 3d tvs come out __________________ AMD 8350FX @4.6 no turbo:corsair H100 cooler: Gigabyte 990FXUD5P: 16 gig GSKILL 2133@2133 9 10 10 27: Gigabyte 7950 3Gb 1050/1300:

29th March 2010, 7:20 PM	#3
DavyG Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 281	I installed their analygraph driver. I just need to wait for a pair of 3D glasses from DealExtreme to arrive to test it. I'm gonna try analygraph first before I go any further with 3D. It's a big investment.

29th March 2010, 7:53 PM	#5
quokka_00152 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 6	Ive used the nvidia route for 3D gaming for a few months now and was really enjoying it until my GPU died, however in that time I found it to really make games more engrossing but it does depend on what games you play. Source games like TF2 and L4D work great with it and I always use it in these games, I even find myself moving my head to avoid incoming rockets and zombie arms at times too! - audiosurf is another game it works great in. However it doesnt add much to RTS, and RPG games (like ME2) id be just has happy to play standard. Enabling it on newer games is also very taxing on the GPU, but in those instances the 120mhz monitor just shines in its own right! However with the monitor and shutter glasses it is a very expensive excursion, and some people do get headaches from using it after a few hours (reducing the 3D depth does help somewhat). Ive not had this problem though.

30th March 2010, 3:15 AM	#9
porridge Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 915	I cant see it taking off until the mainstream of consumers have access to affordable 120hz screens. Also multimonitor setups will probably become more common and people would be wanting 3d on all screens at once. The only way I see 3d gaming to become the norm quickly is if the next generation of consoles to adopt it and have support in place for developers.

30th March 2010, 5:16 AM	#12
zehoo Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 456	Playing in stereo 3D is great :P. The games you tend to get issues with are the ones that overlay a 2D effect on a 3D environment so when you see the world in stereo the 2D effect is out of context. The newest Wolfenstien is a prime example of this.