[WIN7] windows 7 buggy

[elvis]

My guess is it's reporting the size of the files in the folder immediately below it, and not the cumulative size of all the files in each recursive folder.

Try it for yourself - check the summary size, and then highlight just the files (not other subfolders) in that folder, and check the combined size.

*If* that is the case, then I wouldn't consider this a "bug" per se. It's working code - it's just doing something that you'd consider nonsense (even if it's doing nonsense correctly).

[IKT]

Originally Posted by Tenoq

It sounds to me like you're expecting it to be Linux. It's not. Go use Linux if that's what you want.

I want windows with/without the things I mentioned, or blizzard could make games for linux natively, neither of which will happen any time soon so it was more of a vent.

Originally Posted by Tenoq

I do take exception to the install-time claim though. I know for a fact Windows 7 installs a helluva lot faster than Ubuntu

If you can install the shipping windows 7 in under 7 minutes I'll tip my hat in your direction.(+when was the last time you installed ubuntu?)

Originally Posted by elvis

*If* that is the case, then I wouldn't consider this a "bug" per se. It's working code - it's just doing something that you'd consider nonsense (even if it's doing nonsense correctly).

I would still call that a bug because it's not doing what the customer expects, so it's a design problem, from previous responses it looks like this bug/problem is well known and many just accept it.

Then again Ubuntu's version of a 'bug' is pretty broad, do you by chance happen to know where one can report a bug or feature request or improvement or anything to ms?

[elvis]

Originally Posted by IKT

I would still call that a bug because it's not doing what the customer expects

It's not what *you* expect. I'd dare say it's a touch audacious to assume you speak for *all* of Microsoft's customers.

To play devil's advocate, if I'm in a folder and hit "Control+a" to highlight all files, down the bottom in the status bar it only shows me the cumulative size of the files in the current directory, and not all subdirectories.

Also, given how much time it takes to do a full file properties on a deep file system (and how it hammers your disk), I'd say (and pardon me for taking a moment of audacity myself) that most customers would probably react badly to the performance lag where normally there would be none.

All the same, if you feel that it's such a major issue that Microsoft should know about it and prioritise it, by all means file your bug report. Update the thread if/when you get a response, because I'm genuinely curious as to how they respond to such things (no trolling - I've only done these sort of things with other vendors and/or open source guys,but never the big-M themselves).

Originally Posted by IKT

Then again Ubuntu's version of a 'bug' is pretty broad,

Bug #1 is still my favourite.

[IKT]

Originally Posted by elvis

All the same, if you feel that it's such a major issue that Microsoft should know about it and prioritise it, by all means file your bug report.

That's what I'm trying to do, it seems:

"Manual online bug reporting tools are only available to subscribers of TechNet or MSDN."

Which I am not

[thebranded]

Have you have contacted WOW and reported this to them? Its a Bug yes, but its in the WOW installation program not windows.

[IKT]

Originally Posted by thebranded

Have you have contacted WOW and reported this to them? Its a Bug yes, but its in the WOW installation program not windows.

Sure, I'll go through and report to what appears to be every single application ever made to run on windows that they can't calculate how much disk space their program uses.

From 7 years ago:

This is a great example of a case where by being really liberal in what you accept, you never taught programmers to do the right thing in their installers. I'll bet the Adobe setup programmers don't even know that their program shows up wrong in Add/Remove Programs, let alone how to fix it.

Wow, it only uses the start menu to see if a program was used? That explains why the data is junk -- I usually use Quick Launch toolbar or desktop to shortcuts to start programs.

The biggest question is why does Add/Remove programs supply this information anyway? As the data's questionable, it's not like it's useable for anything meaningful.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/...09/178342.aspx

Oh well, time to move on.

[Tenoq]

Originally Posted by IKT

I want windows with/without the things I mentioned, or blizzard could make games for linux natively, neither of which will happen any time soon so it was more of a vent.

That's not going to happen any time soon - some of the features you want cannot be implemented because Windows IS such a flexible and popular platform (like auto-updating all applications). It wouldn't be plausible to create a repo for Windows applications due to the sheer number of applications. There is always PSI.

If you can install the shipping windows 7 in under 7 minutes I'll tip my hat in your direction.(+when was the last time you installed ubuntu?)

10.10 was the last full install I did (a little after release). Took about an hour. Perhaps because it was trying to update during install, and the update servers for Ubuntu are quite slow?

Windows 7 installs take between 10-15 minutes, typically.

A lot of your other issues are particular to your machine. I haven't seen the many, many installs I've done.

[Elyzion]

Originally Posted by Tenoq

Windows 7 installs take between 10-15 minutes, typically.

It's weird, the first time i installed Windows 7, the day it was released on MSDN, it spent 25 minutes with a blank screen, then took like 8 minutes to install to the point i could use the machine...

The second time I installed it, 5 days ago, it took like 9 minutes total...

Vista used to take like 30 minutes to install completely.

[IKT]

Originally Posted by Tenoq

It wouldn't be plausible to create a repo for Windows applications due to the sheer number of applications.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...-for-windows-8

Originally Posted by Tenoq

10.10 was the last full install I did (a little after release). Took about an hour. Perhaps because it was trying to update during install, and the update servers for Ubuntu are quite slow?

Yeah they're located in the UK which is pretty poorly positioned, install and then after install choose a local mirror will max out your line.

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-sel...in-ubuntu.html

Thinking about this now, they should probably do this during install, going to submit a bug. (hurray)

[Tenoq]

Originally Posted by IKT

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...-for-windows-8

That will be about as good as the Ubuntu store, or possibly worse.

There might be a few big names that subscribe, but the you can be sure 90% of the Windows programs available today will not make it to the store. You can be sure that it will be expensive to participate, difficult to push updates and probably have a huge list of caveats and restrictions on applications you can publish.

Great idea, but I doubt it will work. Even in Linux the repo system means updates to individual packages can be slow to get into official repos often leaving users to install/make if the want the latest updates.

Originally Posted by IKT

Yeah they're located in the UK which is pretty poorly positioned, install and then after install choose a local mirror will max out your line.

Ok, so this is weird - normally I get 2MB/s from AARNet (Bigpond unmetered) but when I'm updating Ubuntu from AARNet it maxes out at 500kB/s. WHY!?