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Old 17th April 2012, 3:23 PM   #2341
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Bloody hell, thats a bit rough. Plenty sell on snipershide etc.. but I cant imagine APRS would give you a credit and let you supply your own stock
My APRS build took 6 & 1/2 months... They told me 2-3 worst case scenario. From what I was told, Manners is the holdup.

They DEFINITELY won't let you supply your own stock.

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Old 17th April 2012, 3:24 PM   #2342
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Private sale is the only option if you want one quick. Manners won't ship outside the US either anymore, they insist on you going through a local dealer.

Appears their move to larger premises and streamlining production has done nothing to improve delivery times.
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Old 17th April 2012, 5:59 PM   #2343
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nah not tulammo sorry. I reload tho. What info / stuff you looking for ?
Just how people found it to shoot, what it's like quality wise, etc. It was $19/50 so I couldn't really pass that up, but I've heard varying reports as to consistency of loads, accelerated wear, the usual talk that seems to accompany Russian made ammunition. Supposedly it's quite 'sparky'; I guess I'll find out...
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Old 18th April 2012, 12:09 AM   #2344
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i have heard of people weighing them on digital scales and seperating them into batches. Because the powder load is so inconsistent. Even then, theres rumors of different POWDERS in the mix too !

I know for a fact its hit and miss. Sometimes you get great results, other times you cant hold a 5" group at point blank range.
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Old 19th April 2012, 4:59 PM   #2345
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Proof will be in the pudding. Let us know when you get it.
Letter arrived today, going to the RTA tomorrow to get my piccy taken and get my license. Ive booked in for a shoot at 2pm at SISC already too...(Hiring thier CZ's)
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Old 19th April 2012, 9:15 PM   #2346
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i have heard of people weighing them on digital scales and seperating them into batches. Because the powder load is so inconsistent. Even then, theres rumors of different POWDERS in the mix too !

I know for a fact its hit and miss. Sometimes you get great results, other times you cant hold a 5" group at point blank range.
That's actually a pretty good idea now that I think about it. I had a good look at them last night, and about a third have a slight bulge in the case at the base of the bullet. They're also harder to load into mags too; nowhere near as easy as brass cased 9mm.
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Old 19th April 2012, 11:59 PM   #2347
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i cant confirm, but ive HEARD via talk that its ex factory test ammo. IE: once fired in the factory for quality purposes. Then reloaded with "floor sweepings" as it were.

Thus, it bulges a bit because its fired.
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Old 20th April 2012, 12:56 AM   #2348
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double post.. sorry ppls !

OK.. to explain case bulge for those who DONT know waht it is.

Pistols are inherently different animals to rifles and shotguns.
The way they are designed is to force wear into one area. As with all mechanical devices. Design a "weakest link" and work around that problem area.
What that means is this. EVERYTHING mechanical has a weakest link. Weather it be susceptibility to heat, wear, pressure, etc, its all there. John Moses Browning (one of my personal heroes) knew this principle (along with some other skills which i adore him for) and found a simple way around it.

Whats the single easiest replaceable part on a gun ? BRASS !! Because of this, he was able to design a feed ramp to put any extra pressure into that one point. IE: design a common "failure" area.



Here in lays the single biggest issue with a 1911, or many of its clones. Feed ramp.
Look at the one on the left, which is "large" then the right.
I normally dont talk about my own personal guns, but i will this single time. I own a 1911 and use it regularly. 0.5mm OAL is the difference between feeds "fine" (>95%) to "horrible" (<10%). 0.65mm is its sweet spot to feed 100% (200+ rounds in one outing without issue).
Extraction DID hang up a few times, but thats a whole different post.



Notice at the base of the case its thicker ? Thats a common thing with all brass. This is because of 2 things. Manufacturing process, and safety from case blow out.

Each time you fire the case, a 9mm exhibits ~34,000psi of pressure. Sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on your load. Ive personally taken a 125gr CN to 168 power factor (1363fps), even have the chrono print to prove it (4x average)
When you boost pressure, it squeezes the brass, and make its a touch thinner, and as a result a touch longer. Its why you need case trimmers, annealers, etc..




With too much thinning (excessive reloading on a case) you can get a blow out. There is a glockanade example.

How often can you reload brass ? Well that all depends. How hot do you load it ? do you anneal ? what powders ? What neck tension do you set ? etc.. Its all dependent. You need to inspect them. I personally use starline and reload. Some people get ~10 per brass with "normal" (950 - 1100fps) loads, and i know one couple who get 30!! reloads out of 38spl brass. But they load 350fps specials for cowboy / western action. Targets are average like 7meters away. So its not like its heavy load. Less recoil and all.

When you reload your brass, you resize it in your resizing die. This makes it "uniform" again and takes out any bulges.

This takes me back to my original point.
Cheap factory stuff isnt "reloaded" in that sense. Its indeed fired and reloaded, but it is NOT run thru a resizing press (to my knowledge). Its just thrown back into the feed hopper and its cycled thru their loading machine.

The cheap stuff isnt bad, but the quality is obviously lacking. Its not perfectly round, thus its not perfectly formed for your cylinder, and may cause feed hangups, "fliers" in groups, etc. Its cheap plinking ammo.

Theres NOTHING wrong with it, but its like buying a cheap ass brand new car and expect it to compete on the track. You get what you pay for.

Feed ramps are also on the frame, and they are a HUGE part of the issue on many 1911's. So many people fuk them up.
Here is a job which i did to rebuild a screwed up frame.




That thing runs silky smooth now. That gun had MASSIVE mod's done to it, so it better !

Hope this post was of help to people.
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Old 22nd April 2012, 2:10 PM   #2349
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Well Ive purchased one of the new Vortex Viper HS 5-15x44 Mil/Mil scopes for the new .22.

After the success Ive had with the Viper PST, I have no reservations grabbing another Vortex. Its a little more expensive than the Weaver Grand Slam 3-10 I was going to chuck on it, but what the hell. Got serial number #16, which is pretty cool

Taking my 308 apart today to notch the feedramp (for the Alpha Type 2 mags). My old man has a loaded workshop, so wont be an issue to mill out the 2.5mm required.
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Old 23rd April 2012, 4:34 PM   #2350
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Feed ramp mod went smoothly, can now reliably feed rounds loaded up to 2.985" OAL

In case anyone is curious:

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any land owners in NSW?

i am going to get my rifle license soon, and need permission from a land owner. (for recreational hunting, and target shooting)
sadly living in suburbia i don't know anyone.

also what rifle should i get?

i want to get a .22 and a .308

i want something with a scope, thats made from plastic.
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Old 25th April 2012, 3:25 PM   #2352
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Join the SSAA. You can use them as a genuine reason for both hunting and target shooting. No need for a land owner.
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Old 26th April 2012, 3:31 PM   #2353
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Grabbed a Redfield Rampage spotting scope kit from Sinclairs the other day. I must admit, for $230 with a tripod/case etc, Im pretty impressed. Viperskins for my AICS should show up tomorrow/Friday... hopefully tomorrow
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Old 27th April 2012, 2:58 PM   #2354
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Grabbed a Redfield Rampage spotting scope kit from Sinclairs the other day. I must admit, for $230 with a tripod/case etc, Im pretty impressed. Viperskins for my AICS should show up tomorrow/Friday... hopefully tomorrow
What's postage on something like that from the states?
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Old 27th April 2012, 3:32 PM   #2355
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What's postage on something like that from the states?
Ah a buddy and I bought a pile of stuff from Sinclairs etc. Got the scope, some dies etc etc sent to Shipito, then international shipping was $88, showed up in 3 days through TNT.

Direct international shipping from Sinclairs is always retarded though, so we generally use the mail forwarding services.
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