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Old 7th May 2012, 4:38 PM   #16
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http://lisafaq.sunder.net/lisafaq-hw-io_lisa1.html

"When Apple provided the upgrade from Lisa 1 to Lisa 2, resistors R41 (3.3KOhm) and R47 (1KOhm) were cut on the I/O board, the I/O ROM was changed from version 40 to version 88. "

He's trying to prove that it wasn't upgraded to a Lisa 2 and then downgraded to a Lisa 1 later. But it kinda looks like they've been resoldered to me.

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Old 7th May 2012, 6:23 PM   #17
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Then it would be a bit closer to real life when you call it a bitch and slap it back to the stone age because it was given you the shits.
That may be a reason why people dont name their products after their kids anymore.
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Old 7th May 2012, 6:40 PM   #18
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Love the random pic of Steve and his daughter

Side note: That OS looks better than some of the ones we have on the market these days
yeh.
it's actually amazing how similar it is to Os X today still!
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Old 7th May 2012, 6:47 PM   #19
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But it kinda looks like they've been resoldered to me.
They look the same as the others on the board - I reckon it'd be legit. You wouldn't want to claim 'never removed' for something with such a high asking price, that'd be just asking for legal action if it were obvious enough to spot in a low-res photo, let alone in the flesh, so to speak!

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That may be a reason why people dont name their products after their kids anymore.
A very astute observation! Heh.
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Old 8th May 2012, 10:09 AM   #20
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They look the same as the others on the board - I reckon it'd be legit. You wouldn't want to claim 'never removed' for something with such a high asking price, that'd be just asking for legal action if it were obvious enough to spot in a low-res photo, let alone in the flesh, so to speak!
You might be right but it looks like there's brown residue around the solder joins of R41&R47 the others don't have this.
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Old 8th May 2012, 10:27 AM   #21
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Looks like the resistors have been removed - there seem to be flux marks around the through-holes whereas all the other solder marks seem fine?

Also the serial number sticker on the computer only has the apple logo - whereas all the other serial number stickers say "apple computer" next to the apple logo... what is the go with that?

I reckon it's not as legit as it seems
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How many computers made today, will last 30 years into the future though. Quality used to mean something in those days. Today its all about the product life cycle.
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Looks like the resistors have been removed - there seem to be flux marks around the through-holes whereas all the other solder marks seem fine?

Also the serial number sticker on the computer only has the apple logo - whereas all the other serial number stickers say "apple computer" next to the apple logo... what is the go with that?

I reckon it's not as legit as it seems
Agree, if you look at the R41 it looks like it has been removed and the new solder does not fill the entire hole.
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Old 8th May 2012, 11:01 PM   #24
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Hi, i just packaged one up for someone off these forums located here in australia yesterday and sent it to them..

got paid $120 for picking it up and packaging it.

they paid for shipping..

now i know why they are collectors items !

cheers Alan.

ps. it all started with a WTB thread for someone to help pick it up and package it ..check it out!
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Did anyone else read some of the links in that eBay ad? One of them goes to here, which is a fascinating set of stories/notes from the development of the Mac. Well worth a read if you don't mind losing several afternoons.



garetz - my understanding is that the original Lisa would have gotten relatively little use, since it was quickly superceded and the floppy drives were known to be unreliable. I'd guess that if you took a modern Dell (or a modern Mac, for that matter), used it for six months, and then left it in its box for thirty years, it'd still work fine afterwards.
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Did anyone else read some of the links in that eBay ad? One of them goes to here, which is a fascinating set of stories/notes from the development of the Mac. Well worth a read if you don't mind losing several afternoons.
i have been on that website before, but thanks for taking an hour out of my workday. some extremely interesting stories in there, steve jobs would have been an amazing man to work for.
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anyone notice the sellers name?
LOL first thing I noticed when I looked at it, maybe you could get him to sign it, re-sell for 50K

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dunno - pretty standard price for an Apple product
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Get your facts straight.
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real hipsters do not have $25K
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That may be a reason why people dont name their products after their kids anymore.
Ford Edsel, anyone?
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Then it would be a bit closer to real life when you call it a bitch and slap it back to the stone age because it was given you the shits.
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Get your facts straight.
Nerds do not buy apple products. Hipsters do.
So what do douchebags buy?
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How many computers made today, will last 30 years into the future though. Quality used to mean something in those days. Today its all about the product life cycle.
The vast majority? Any piece of equipment manufactured today is likely to still work after 30 years given the same storage conditions that this Lisa was in.
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