Apple Lisa $25k on eBay - Page 2

grommet80 · 7th May 2012, 4:38 PM

http://lisafaq.sunder.net/lisafaq-hw-io_lisa1.html

"When Apple provided the upgrade from Lisa 1 to Lisa 2, resistors R41 (3.3KOhm) and R47 (1KOhm) were cut on the I/O board, the I/O ROM was changed from version 40 to version 88. "

He's trying to prove that it wasn't upgraded to a Lisa 2 and then downgraded to a Lisa 1 later. But it kinda looks like they've been resoldered to me.

ThunderbirdMoz · 7th May 2012, 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxley

Then it would be a bit closer to real life when you call it a bitch and slap it back to the stone age because it was given you the shits.

That may be a reason why people dont name their products after their kids anymore.

Paronga · 7th May 2012, 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SuiCid3

Love the random pic of Steve and his daughter

Side note: That OS looks better than some of the ones we have on the market these days

yeh.
it's actually amazing how similar it is to Os X today still!

crag_v · 7th May 2012, 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by grommet80

But it kinda looks like they've been resoldered to me.

They look the same as the others on the board - I reckon it'd be legit. You wouldn't want to claim 'never removed' for something with such a high asking price, that'd be just asking for legal action if it were obvious enough to spot in a low-res photo, let alone in the flesh, so to speak!

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Originally Posted by ThunderbirdMoz

That may be a reason why people dont name their products after their kids anymore.

A very astute observation! Heh.

grommet80 · 8th May 2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crag_v

They look the same as the others on the board - I reckon it'd be legit. You wouldn't want to claim 'never removed' for something with such a high asking price, that'd be just asking for legal action if it were obvious enough to spot in a low-res photo, let alone in the flesh, so to speak!

You might be right but it looks like there's brown residue around the solder joins of R41&R47 the others don't have this.

Menthu_Rae · 8th May 2012, 10:27 AM

Looks like the resistors have been removed - there seem to be flux marks around the through-holes whereas all the other solder marks seem fine?

Also the serial number sticker on the computer only has the apple logo - whereas all the other serial number stickers say "apple computer" next to the apple logo... what is the go with that?

I reckon it's not as legit as it seems

garetz · 8th May 2012, 12:17 PM

How many computers made today, will last 30 years into the future though. Quality used to mean something in those days. Today its all about the product life cycle.

eixt · 8th May 2012, 1:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Menthu_Rae

Looks like the resistors have been removed - there seem to be flux marks around the through-holes whereas all the other solder marks seem fine?

Also the serial number sticker on the computer only has the apple logo - whereas all the other serial number stickers say "apple computer" next to the apple logo... what is the go with that?

I reckon it's not as legit as it seems

Agree, if you look at the R41 it looks like it has been removed and the new solder does not fill the entire hole.

M0r4h3us · 8th May 2012, 11:01 PM

Hi, i just packaged one up for someone off these forums located here in australia yesterday and sent it to them..

got paid $120 for picking it up and packaging it.

they paid for shipping..

now i know why they are collectors items !

cheers Alan.

ps. it all started with a WTB thread for someone to help pick it up and package it ..check it out!

SLATYE · 8th May 2012, 11:08 PM

Did anyone else read some of the links in that eBay ad? One of them goes to here, which is a fascinating set of stories/notes from the development of the Mac. Well worth a read if you don't mind losing several afternoons.

garetz - my understanding is that the original Lisa would have gotten relatively little use, since it was quickly superceded and the floppy drives were known to be unreliable. I'd guess that if you took a modern Dell (or a modern Mac, for that matter), used it for six months, and then left it in its box for thirty years, it'd still work fine afterwards.

sanjay · 9th May 2012, 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SLATYE

Did anyone else read some of the links in that eBay ad? One of them goes to here, which is a fascinating set of stories/notes from the development of the Mac. Well worth a read if you don't mind losing several afternoons.

i have been on that website before, but thanks for taking an hour out of my workday. some extremely interesting stories in there, steve jobs would have been an amazing man to work for.

mehkat · 9th May 2012, 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by clonex

anyone notice the sellers name?

LOL first thing I noticed when I looked at it, maybe you could get him to sign it, re-sell for 50K

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Originally Posted by SpudBoy

dunno - pretty standard price for an Apple product

I actually pissed myself

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Originally Posted by doodz

Get your facts straight.
Nerds do not buy apple products. Hipsters do.

real hipsters do not have $25K

lithos · 10th May 2012, 2:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderbirdMoz

That may be a reason why people dont name their products after their kids anymore.

Ford Edsel, anyone?

BigM · 16th May 2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Oxley

Then it would be a bit closer to real life when you call it a bitch and slap it back to the stone age because it was given you the shits.

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Originally Posted by doodz

Get your facts straight.
Nerds do not buy apple products. Hipsters do.

So what do douchebags buy?

Shimmy · 16th May 2012, 7:43 AM

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Originally Posted by garetz

How many computers made today, will last 30 years into the future though. Quality used to mean something in those days. Today its all about the product life cycle.

The vast majority? Any piece of equipment manufactured today is likely to still work after 30 years given the same storage conditions that this Lisa was in.

7th May 2012, 4:38 PM	#16
grommet80 Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 121	http://lisafaq.sunder.net/lisafaq-hw-io_lisa1.html "When Apple provided the upgrade from Lisa 1 to Lisa 2, resistors R41 (3.3KOhm) and R47 (1KOhm) were cut on the I/O board, the I/O ROM was changed from version 40 to version 88. " He's trying to prove that it wasn't upgraded to a Lisa 2 and then downgraded to a Lisa 1 later. But it kinda looks like they've been resoldered to me. Last edited by grommet80; 7th May 2012 at 4:41 PM.

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Menthu_Rae Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Northern Beaches, Sydney Posts: 6,140	Looks like the resistors have been removed - there seem to be flux marks around the through-holes whereas all the other solder marks seem fine? Also the serial number sticker on the computer only has the apple logo - whereas all the other serial number stickers say "apple computer" next to the apple logo... what is the go with that? I reckon it's not as legit as it seems __________________ System Specs: i7 3770K, Noctua NH-U12P SE2, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3-1600, ASUS P8Z77-V Premium, 2048MB Zotac GTX680, ASUS Xonar Essence One, 120GB/240GB Samsung 840 SSDs, 2x 3TB Toshiba HDDs [RAID1], 2x Zalman ZMMFC-1 Plus, Dell U3011 30" LCD, Creative T-40 Series II 2.0, LianLi PC-A71B, 8x Scythe SFF21G, 1kW Silverstone ST1000P. Over 50 Trades.

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M0r4h3us Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Brissie/Gold Coast [4205] Posts: 525	Hi, i just packaged one up for someone off these forums located here in australia yesterday and sent it to them.. got paid $120 for picking it up and packaging it. they paid for shipping.. now i know why they are collectors items ! cheers Alan. ps. it all started with a WTB thread for someone to help pick it up and package it ..check it out! __________________ Regards Alan Email : awebley@bigpond.net.au [yoda] Teach those who would learn, I do. Strong in the ways of I.T. am I. [/yoda] Sex is like Hacking, u get in and u get out and hope u didnt leave something behind that could get traced back to u.

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SLATYE SLATYE, not SLAYTE Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canberra Posts: 25,773	Did anyone else read some of the links in that eBay ad? One of them goes to here, which is a fascinating set of stories/notes from the development of the Mac. Well worth a read if you don't mind losing several afternoons. garetz - my understanding is that the original Lisa would have gotten relatively little use, since it was quickly superceded and the floppy drives were known to be unreliable. I'd guess that if you took a modern Dell (or a modern Mac, for that matter), used it for six months, and then left it in its box for thirty years, it'd still work fine afterwards. __________________ Main system: Phenom II X4 920 \| 8GB (4x 2GB) DDR2-800 \| Gigabyte M57SLI-S4 v2.0 \| Leadtek Geforce 9600GSO 384MB \| Enermax Modu82+ 525W \| 1TB Hitachi HDD \| 3.5" + 5.25" FDD Laptop: Compal EL80 \| C2D T7200 \| 320GB Fujistu HDD \| 2GB DDR2-667 \| GF Go 7600