Next Gen MacBook Pro With Retina 2880 x 1800 Display Officially Announced..

[ewok85]

Originally Posted by aokman

I agree Windows can be reliable also but its much more fragile, Windows always gets bogged down quicker with preloaded crap / spyware / whatever and need reloads more often Bit different in a corporate environment with everything locked down generally except your usually dealing with crappy Dell hardware that falls over.

What what what? It takes 20 minutes to install Windows 7 from a USB drive to a SSD - clean, no problem install - drivers install themselves.

Spyware/junkware is the users problem - I'm using the same install of Windows 7 since it went gold, and it isn't bogged down with crap.

What's the problem with Dell hardware? The hardware is not significantly different than any other computer - the processor, chips, memory, interfaces, etc are all sourced from the same companies that everyone else uses.

[fedex]

Originally Posted by Elyzion

OSX is far more unstable than Windows 7... No need to continue living behind a rock.

now thats a balls out lie, what I'm trying to say is yes apple stuff is overpriced but you pay for a good product from them nothing can come close to a macbook pro interms of portability/design not to mention apple products are definitely desirable to the average joe

[aokman]

Originally Posted by ewok85

What what what? It takes 20 minutes to install Windows 7 from a USB drive to a SSD - clean, no problem install - drivers install themselves.

Spyware/junkware is the users problem - I'm using the same install of Windows 7 since it went gold, and it isn't bogged down with crap.

What's the problem with Dell hardware? The hardware is not significantly different than any other computer - the processor, chips, memory, interfaces, etc are all sourced from the same companies that everyone else uses.

ok so it takes 20 minutes to install windows? whats the point lol. My Windows system generally runs fine (aside from having to reload it every 6 months for stupid ATI driver issues) but im not an average user.

Yes spyware / junk is a users problem but the system lets them do it, Mac's work very differently with security and don't allow that sort of access to the average user (non-domain environments) without root access.

Whats the problem with Dell hardware? its crap lol. Cut price rubbish, just lucky they have onsite repair.

Anyway getting stupidly off-topic if you want to continue the debate start a new thread.

[Camm]

I'm the mac administrator for the NLA. Have had such problems with our OSX terminals refusing to shut down, reboot, and just general crashing, etc after software updates that we went fuck it and installed Windows 7 on all the macs in the reading room. Suddenly don't have issues with them and can keep them updated without problems > <.

On another note, played with one today. Whilst nice, the OS doesn't seem to quite know what to do with the extra resolution. And apart from text being easier to read, not exactly sure I'm sold. Well, definently not a must upgrade, just a 'well thats something nice to have'.

[[KEi]SoVeReIgN]

Originally Posted by Camm

I'm the mac administrator for the NLA. Have had such problems with our OSX terminals refusing to shut down, reboot, and just general crashing, etc after software updates that we went fuck it and installed Windows 7 on all the macs in the reading room. Suddenly don't have issues with them and can keep them updated without problems > <.

On another note, played with one today. Whilst nice, the OS doesn't seem to quite know what to do with the extra resolution. And apart from text being easier to read, not exactly sure I'm sold. Well, definently not a must upgrade, just a 'well thats something nice to have'.

You sound like a shit mac administrator then

[aokman]

Originally Posted by [KEi]SoVeReIgN

You sound like a shit mac administrator then

"Mac Administrator" in the terms that he has been lumped with the work but like most IT don't have the knowledge for it lol.

Did you ever consider that maybe your doing something wrong if all the machines are exhibiting the same problem lol...

[Camm]

Originally Posted by aokman

"Mac Administrator" in the terms that he has been lumped with the work but like most IT don't have the knowledge for it lol.

Did you ever consider that maybe your doing something wrong if all the machines are exhibiting the same problem lol...

Heh. Yahuh. What can I say, it fits the infrastructure better, and I don't get lumped with insane patch bugs (like developers forgetting to clear dev tags on patches so its storing passwords in clear text {caused a massive security nightmare for a few days}, and AD integration breaking (was pathetic around the early lion versions - and was most of the reason why our reading room machines kept exhibiting issues). Put that on top of Lion gets flaky if not hit with combo patches, and its just a headache that none of IT wanted to deal with. In OSX's defense though, the developers here mainly use it as it keeps it close to metal with the BSD infrastructure we have.

[Beach40]

Originally Posted by Elyzion

OSX is far more unstable than Windows 7... No need to continue living behind a rock.

Total bullshit. I have owned two 17"MBP's for five years. One of them crashed once because I was video editing and running a few other things. Everything has its limits.

On the other hand, at work, we all have our turn at "power cycling" our windows machines on a regular basis and getting the IT people the re-install stuff, etc.

Put it another way - if commercial airliners ran on windows, who would fly on those aircraft?

[Elyzion]

Originally Posted by Beach40

Put it another way - if commercial airliners ran on windows, who would fly on those aircraft?

Who would fly on those if they used OSX or Linux? No one, probably why commercial airliners don't run any of those. But lets not come up with stupid analogies.

Also I don't care if YOU personally successfully run OSX. Fact is I've never seen a company run OSX without issues, and since Windows 7, I see more issues with OSX than Windows.

[Beach40]

Originally Posted by Elyzion

Who would fly on those if they used OSX or Linux? No one, probably why commercial airliners don't run any of those. But lets not come up with stupid analogies.

Also I don't care if YOU personally successfully run OSX. Fact is I've never seen a company run OSX without issues, and since Windows 7, I see more issues with OSX than Windows.

Touche. If you don't care why are you bothering?

The fact is I'm not alone and personal experiences are first hand evidence, as we are dealing with personal computing devices.

The fact is Windows is an inherently unstable platform. It always has been and it always will be, especially now that we have a massive IT "support" industry built around just keeping it doing the basics of what its supposed to do.

[power]

Originally Posted by Beach40

The fact is Windows is an inherently unstable platform.

I'm sorry but that is absolute garbage.

this discussion is about the new MBP anyway.

http://www.slashgear.com/retina-macb...lity-13233720/

MacBooks are becoming more and more like appliances, but Apple do seem to prefer that.

Apple said it had learned from the MacBook Air in putting together the Retina-toting Pro, and that includes soldered RAM to the logic board meaning users won’t be able to upgrade from the standard 8GB (Apple offers 16GB maximum at present). The SSD is also proprietary and differs slightly from that in the Air, and is another component that – for the moment at least – there exists no third-party alternative for.

From iFixit’s perspective, it’s a worrying shift toward a design that reduces almost entirely the potential for users to repair or upgrade their notebooks. For users, though – many of whom never even think about opening up their PC or Mac during its lifespan – Apple’s chassis decisions may well be an acceptable compromise given the new MacBook Pro’s attributes

[Camm]

Originally Posted by Beach40

The fact is Windows is an inherently unstable platform. It always has been and it always will be, especially now that we have a massive IT "support" industry built around just keeping it doing the basics of what its supposed to do.

This is false; we have a massive IT support industry supporting the massive ecosystem of applications designed to run on Windows. The main applications I seem to support on OSX are the Adobe suite, and Fusion\Parallels (so they can run Windows VM's so they can access the businesses application suite, on you guessed it, Windows).

The only real business use case I've seen as stated is for programmers supporting BSD infrastructure, as code is generally more portable (whilst having a feature rich desktop UI).

[MercyFlush]

Originally Posted by power

this discussion is about the new MBP anyway.

Yeah lets keep this on topic, maybe we should direct some of you to the 'winge about stupid things in a thread about something ever so slightly related' forum.

I can't wait to get my MBPR I have thoroughly enjoyed the last two 15" MBP's I have had, and this will be a nice addition to my collection.

[proffesso]

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/31...ernal-monitors

impressive!

[giles666]

Well decided to get one.

My only real concern is that the battery is glued in because over the two to three years I usually keep a Macbook I end up changing the battery a few times.

Apple will still make the switch for you though (dunno how they plan on doing it, but as long as they will), so I am happy with that.

Have always had Apple Care and have never paid for a battery change anyway.