Red Hat CEO Is Ready To Squash Microsoft, VMware, and Oracle - Page 5

elvis · 4th July 2012, 9:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oclockforlyfe

How much relevance in there comparing shipping volumes of a free and a propriety OS? The free OS is shipped on ubiquitous PCs, while Macs are a niche.

It's relevant, as it's being done to satisfy customer demand.

People are specifically asking for pre-built Ubuntu PCs, and are doing so in the millions. This isn't some "oh, let's slap something free on it and get it out the door to shut them up" thing.

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Originally Posted by Camm

I find this funny considering the 'time bug' a whole crapton of RHEL servers just got hit by. And Linux on desktop? Next joke.

And you're just trolling. That was patched eons ago. Anyone who got hit by that is a moron who didn't patch their enterprise software. All it does is illustrate how poor patching procedures are in a huge percentage of corporates.

Let's not forget either that Microsoft Azure went down this year courtesy of their own leap year bug (which has bitten Microsoft in the past for other services of theirs). I guess the name "Office 365" is accurate, because it certainly didn't work for 366.

nimmers · 5th July 2012, 11:16 AM

I don't think Steam is a game changer on its own. I wouldn't switch to Linux on my *play* computer unless I could play ALL my games on it. And I would never dual boot my *play* computer either, its always on.

I run Linux on my *work* computer.

pyriX · 16th July 2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by power

Steam on linux isn't a fucking gamechanger - it's not like the games will be compatible magically because Steam is on linux. Steam is on OSX and the games range is piss poor compared to Windows.

THANKYOU.

I run OS X and Windows at home. I'll give you 3 guesses as to what is my gaming platform?

It's really, really nice that valve games are now being simul-released on both OS X, Windows and (soon to be, probably/perhaps SOME unix systems [what, you thought they'd support all of them?]) - but this is a step in the right direction, not a 'game changer' in and of itself.

And Linux support won't be *easier* for developers than OS X is - Linux will suffer from the same problem it always has, that which has been exemplified in the mobile space - it is fragmented as shit. Messy, goopy shit, such as that which has hit the fan.

What OS X and windows do is work really, really hard to offer a universal platform for developers to work with. Whereas linux makes no such guarantees. That serves to make it fantastically flexible, but lowers developer interest significantly.

tyga · 17th July 2012, 6:13 PM

I work in a major capital city hospital and all of the desktop computers run a version of windows, mostly windows xp.

Surprising considering the cost to maintain the windows systems and also the level of vulnerability to attack and loss of sensitive patient data.

The hospital recently attempted to go digital with the patient records instead of the old paper versions. Not too successfully though, as I still see high levels of paper records and the new portable computers hardly ever get used.

HyRax1 · 17th July 2012, 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tyga

The hospital recently attempted to go digital with the patient records instead of the old paper versions. Not too successfully though, as I still see high levels of paper records and the new portable computers hardly ever get used.

A major change like that won't happen right away - it'll be progressive as there will inevitably be resistive staff that either don't like change or feel that the paper method is faster and less complex than a digital solution.

fornar · 18th July 2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Smakked

This would be because it is not available in Australia OEM but in US and third world countrys, it is gaining momentum, Like India and how big is there population?? And china has a big Nix following aswell.

Dell are now shipping their new Optiplex 9010 with ubuntu 11.10 pre-installed.
At our work we have been purchasing the Optiplex range(n series) for years and have always been asking for Ubuntu on them. We are currently running at about 70% of our Desktop fleet on Ubuntu from our total of about 250 machines.

Server side we are a Redhat/Centos/SL shop for the last 10 years. We have one Windows 2008 server and that is soon to go as finally the program on it has been ported to Linux.

mybrains · 18th July 2012, 3:44 PM

A really interesting conversation guys.

My thoughts are linux will win on the desktop, but not so much with a frontal attack on windows (like redhat or Ubuntu). Instead the desktop itself has been gradually eaten away by laptops for years now and laptops are converging with tablets.
Is a tablet an ultrabook without a keyboard? or is a ultrabook a tablet with a keyboard? The only thing seperating the two is the cpu (x86 or ARM) and both Android and now Windows 8 will be on both.

The war will be over applications on the desktop/mobile. Games as some have said, office apps in the office space like MSoffice (isn't apple about to release office on ipad tablets?). Lots of courting development teams to win them to one side or another....
Interesting times ahead !

IKT · 18th July 2012, 3:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mybrains

My thoughts are linux will win on the desktop, but not so much with a frontal attack on windows (like redhat or Ubuntu). Instead the desktop itself has been gradually eaten away by laptops for years now and laptops are converging with tablets.

With the exception of Android there does seem to be a gap in free software on tablets.

HyRax1 · 18th July 2012, 3:57 PM

The erosion of Windows dominance on the desktop has been in part due to the success of OSX, iOS and Android in general - people are now getting used to the fact that not everything has to look and feel like Windows (or even BE Windows) and that the learning curve of getting to grips with that non-Windows interface is not very high at all.

This greatly reduces the resistance to change in people and they are much more likely to give something different a go rather than dismiss it right from the start. As a result, people find they can pick up Linux fairly easily because they allow themselves to explore rather than make a bee-line for the lower-left corner of the screen right away.

In fact, many do not even realise they are using Linux because few of these alternative platforms ever make direct reference to the name anyway to avoid the stereotype that Linux (or Unix) is complex and only command-line driven.

joe_sixpack · 18th July 2012, 4:29 PM

90% of the server environment I look after is RHEL or a rebuild.. however... my thoughts on the desktop... hrmm...

A desktop market takeover is such a difficult challenge for anyone competing against Windows. I love Linux, but never been a huge fan of it on my desktop, and it boils down to laziness for me, and that laziness all stems from how much effort is required for me to achieve/complete my task.

OSX is nice, but just feels slow in process. I sat behind a MacBook instead of a Windows based laptop for over a year and learnt a great deal about OSX. I really gave OSX a good go, but I ended up going back to Windows to get my documentation/other work pumped out quickly.

Linux I would rate faster in process than OSX, it has more of a Windows feel to it when using applications etc.. My gripe wasn't with Linux per-say, more so the learning curve of alternative office applications and their performance. MS Office port to Linux would be nice (I battled with Office 2007 on Wine, wasn't worth it), though it could end up like the port to OSX where everything just felt slower to achieve.

Competition in the market is awesome, would a 90% RHEL world be good, no I don't think so. There's enough room to have really strong competition from many vendors. As much as I love seeing Samsung pump out excellent Andriod devices (phones/tablets) I still would never use them. I'm just really content with my iphone/ipad, but that competition between them is good for me as the consumer.

The days of Windows aren't numbered it will be around for a very long time, it may not have a monopoly on the market, but it sure as heck won't die. I also believe the OSX fad will wear off soon for corporate users and we'll see a decline in their use, sure they may strive in studios of art/design etc, but not in general desktop land.

18th July 2012, 3:44 PM	#67
mybrains Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14	linux on the desktop or desktop and mobile merge A really interesting conversation guys. My thoughts are linux will win on the desktop, but not so much with a frontal attack on windows (like redhat or Ubuntu). Instead the desktop itself has been gradually eaten away by laptops for years now and laptops are converging with tablets. Is a tablet an ultrabook without a keyboard? or is a ultrabook a tablet with a keyboard? The only thing seperating the two is the cpu (x86 or ARM) and both Android and now Windows 8 will be on both. The war will be over applications on the desktop/mobile. Games as some have said, office apps in the office space like MSoffice (isn't apple about to release office on ipad tablets?). Lots of courting development teams to win them to one side or another.... Interesting times ahead !

18th July 2012, 3:57 PM	#69
HyRax1 48656C6C6F20576F726C6421 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: At a desk. Distro:Ubuntu Posts: 7,119	The erosion of Windows dominance on the desktop has been in part due to the success of OSX, iOS and Android in general - people are now getting used to the fact that not everything has to look and feel like Windows (or even BE Windows) and that the learning curve of getting to grips with that non-Windows interface is not very high at all. This greatly reduces the resistance to change in people and they are much more likely to give something different a go rather than dismiss it right from the start. As a result, people find they can pick up Linux fairly easily because they allow themselves to explore rather than make a bee-line for the lower-left corner of the screen right away. In fact, many do not even realise they are using Linux because few of these alternative platforms ever make direct reference to the name anyway to avoid the stereotype that Linux (or Unix) is complex and only command-line driven. __________________ If practice makes perfect, and nobody's perfect, why practice?

18th July 2012, 4:29 PM	#70
joe_sixpack Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Logan City, QLD Posts: 2,766	90% of the server environment I look after is RHEL or a rebuild.. however... my thoughts on the desktop... hrmm... A desktop market takeover is such a difficult challenge for anyone competing against Windows. I love Linux, but never been a huge fan of it on my desktop, and it boils down to laziness for me, and that laziness all stems from how much effort is required for me to achieve/complete my task. OSX is nice, but just feels slow in process. I sat behind a MacBook instead of a Windows based laptop for over a year and learnt a great deal about OSX. I really gave OSX a good go, but I ended up going back to Windows to get my documentation/other work pumped out quickly. Linux I would rate faster in process than OSX, it has more of a Windows feel to it when using applications etc.. My gripe wasn't with Linux per-say, more so the learning curve of alternative office applications and their performance. MS Office port to Linux would be nice (I battled with Office 2007 on Wine, wasn't worth it), though it could end up like the port to OSX where everything just felt slower to achieve. Competition in the market is awesome, would a 90% RHEL world be good, no I don't think so. There's enough room to have really strong competition from many vendors. As much as I love seeing Samsung pump out excellent Andriod devices (phones/tablets) I still would never use them. I'm just really content with my iphone/ipad, but that competition between them is good for me as the consumer. The days of Windows aren't numbered it will be around for a very long time, it may not have a monopoly on the market, but it sure as heck won't die. I also believe the OSX fad will wear off soon for corporate users and we'll see a decline in their use, sure they may strive in studios of art/design etc, but not in general desktop land. __________________ "I don't stop eating when I'm full.. The meal isn't over when I'm full... The meal is over when I hate myself" - *Louis CK.* Blog

5th July 2012, 11:16 AM	#62
nimmers Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 771	I don't think Steam is a game changer on its own. I wouldn't switch to Linux on my play computer unless I could play ALL my games on it. And I would never dual boot my play computer either, its always on. I run Linux on my work computer.

17th July 2012, 6:13 PM	#64
tyga Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Melbourne Posts: 41	I work in a major capital city hospital and all of the desktop computers run a version of windows, mostly windows xp. Surprising considering the cost to maintain the windows systems and also the level of vulnerability to attack and loss of sensitive patient data. The hospital recently attempted to go digital with the patient records instead of the old paper versions. Not too successfully though, as I still see high levels of paper records and the new portable computers hardly ever get used.