3rd party Modems on Telstra Fail - Page 3

caspian · 28th July 2012, 11:23 AM

realistically, if you want faster internet and there's nothing else available to your location now or in the immediate future, move.

Davo1111 · 28th July 2012, 11:34 AM

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1870695#

does this help? i wrote this guide

I've been using non-telstra products since day 1. works fine. I get occasional drop outs (like once a fortnight), but imo that's just the router fucking up rather than the net.

ir0nhide · 28th July 2012, 3:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kieranluken

See, this is the sort of thing that kills my day

. Please stop this talk immediately or i shall burst into tears and report you both the the mods for making me cry. Your other option is run a very long cable to my house. I am in preference for the second option, so please lets go for that

I've just got a regular home DSL connection

Code:

#sh dsl int atm 0
.......
Capacity Used:   99%                             100%
Noise Margin:     6.5 dB                          6.0 dB
Output Power:    17.0 dBm                         7.5 dBm
Attenuation:     23.0 dB                         15.0 dB
.......
                 DS Channel1      DS Channel0   US Channel1       US Channel0
Speed (kbps):             0            16259             0              1763

kieranluken · 28th July 2012, 5:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caspian

realistically, if you want faster internet and there's nothing else available to your location now or in the immediate future, move.

I know, was just hoping that there was some way of getting better while maintaining as much reliability as possible. I can live with what i've got, but that doesn't mean i can't wish for more

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davo1111

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1870695#

does this help? i wrote this guide

I've been using non-telstra products since day 1. works fine. I get occasional drop outs (like once a fortnight), but imo that's just the router fucking up rather than the net.

Thanks for the ideas, but unfortunately not. It's all just really weird... Using the telstra modem, there is no dropouts (ran solid for 70 days or something). Run any other modem, using the same settings and it drops out daily. Running the Netgear DM111P in bridging mode though, and the same settings in my router as the others i tried and it seems to be working without issues. Annoying

Quote:

Originally Posted by ir0nhide

I've just got a regular home DSL connection

Code:

#sh dsl int atm 0
.......
Capacity Used:   99%                             100%
Noise Margin:     6.5 dB                          6.0 dB
Output Power:    17.0 dBm                         7.5 dBm
Attenuation:     23.0 dB                         15.0 dB
.......
                 DS Channel1      DS Channel0   US Channel1       US Channel0
Speed (kbps):             0            16259             0              1763

...Still not funny :P

LostBenji · 29th July 2012, 8:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kieranluken

Amen!

See, this is the sort of thing that kills my day

. Please stop this talk immediately or i shall burst into tears and report you both the the mods for making me cry. Your other option is run a very long cable to my house. I am in preference for the second option, so please lets go for that

Cable, pfft. It's called HFM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davo1111

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1870695#

does this help? i wrote this guide

I've been using non-telstra products since day 1. works fine. I get occasional drop outs (like once a fortnight), but imo that's just the router fucking up rather than the net.

I don't use or recommend any product Telstra supplies other than those smart enough to get the Cisco SRP527 and flash the crap firmware off to the latest. My up-times only stop counting when I deliberately power it all down for power disruptions or maintenance on other gear.
P.S the guide is a little dated. PPPoA is preferred also.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ir0nhide

I've just got a regular home DSL connection

Code:

#sh dsl int atm 0
.......
Capacity Used:   99%                             100%
Noise Margin:     6.5 dB                          6.0 dB
Output Power:    17.0 dBm                         7.5 dBm
Attenuation:     23.0 dB                         15.0 dB
.......
                 DS Channel1      DS Channel0   US Channel1       US Channel0
Speed (kbps):             0            16259             0              1763

Regular home DSL, my arse.

kieranluken · 29th July 2012, 8:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LostBenji

Cable, pfft. It's called HFM

What's HFM?

Grom Hellscream · 29th July 2012, 9:41 PM

Yeah you can't do anything about it. I'm in a similar situation, I have two modems that won't hold sync and the only reason I can get a connection is because I have a Fritz!box that lets me set targets for tolerable line noise and SNRs (at the expense of speed).

iiNet won't do shit about it because I can get sync, but I'm at the point where I'm going to unplug the Fritz!box, plug my Dlink back in and complain that I have no sync just to get something done about it.

Even at those pathetic speeds I still get the occasional dropout.

ir0nhide · 30th July 2012, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LostBenji

Regular home DSL, my arse.

It's just a little old 877-M with a bit of extra RAM, that doesn't make it any more special than any other consumer grade modem/router when it comes to sync rate and single threaded throughput

How does using a Cisco make a home ADSL not regular?

GooSE · 30th July 2012, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ir0nhide

It's just a little old 877-M with a bit of extra RAM, that doesn't make it any more special than any other consumer grade modem/router when it comes to sync rate and single threaded throughput

How does using a Cisco make a home ADSL not regular?

Seems like LostBenji is not too familiar with Cisco IOS. I'm guessing he thought "sh dsl" meant you had a SHDSL connection.

ir0nhide · 30th July 2012, 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GooSE

Seems like LostBenji is not too familiar with Cisco IOS. I'm guessing he thought "sh dsl" meant you had a SHDSL connection.

LostBenji, please confirm

That would explain why he only highlighted the first part of the command, though.

timace · 30th July 2012, 8:34 PM

OP: A very strange issue you have there. However, both you and Grom Hellscream are exceptionally lucky to get the speeds you have, given your attenuations.

I manage a connection which usually sits at 58dB downstream (lots of wiring from the MDF to the modem as it's in a shopping centre, ~5km cable distance). Even provisioned to 512/512, if you breathe the wrong way, it requires umpteen reboots, resets, reconfigures, etc... We're seriously considering 3G if the reception/throughput is half-decent.

OP: I'm 30 mins away from you and have Cable (as I have no fixed-line alternative). Move

Grom Hellscream · 30th July 2012, 8:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timace

OP: A very strange issue you have there. However, both you and Grom Hellscream are exceptionally lucky to get the speeds you have, given your attenuations.

And the only reason I have gotten as far as I have is because of the Fritz!box. I spent days fiddling with SNR targets before I got somewhere half decent

timace · 31st July 2012, 10:15 AM

Looks like a Dynalink RTA1046VW does the trick too... or the line at my in-laws' place just became far more stable (or the modem has stopped crapping out as my torrent box isn't located there any longer, lol)

Synced for 42 days, current PPP session is 17 days

Sync rate: 7073/1023 Kbps
SNR: 7/9 dB
Att: 47.5/28.8 dB

Not bad for a 3.2km line, even if that attenuation figure is a bit on the high side... I'd say that's due to a pitiful lead-in cable.

28th July 2012, 11:23 AM	#31
caspian Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Melbourne Posts: 6,181	realistically, if you want faster internet and there's nothing else available to your location now or in the immediate future, move. __________________ I'm responsible for what I say. I'm not responsible for what you understand.

31st July 2012, 10:15 AM	#43
timace Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Western Sydney Posts: 1,734	Looks like a Dynalink RTA1046VW does the trick too... or the line at my in-laws' place just became far more stable (or the modem has stopped crapping out as my torrent box isn't located there any longer, lol) Synced for 42 days, current PPP session is 17 days Sync rate: 7073/1023 Kbps SNR: 7/9 dB Att: 47.5/28.8 dB Not bad for a 3.2km line, even if that attenuation figure is a bit on the high side... I'd say that's due to a pitiful lead-in cable. Last edited by timace; 31st July 2012 at 10:17 AM.

28th July 2012, 11:34 AM	#32
Davo1111 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Syd Posts: 2,638	http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1870695# does this help? i wrote this guide I've been using non-telstra products since day 1. works fine. I get occasional drop outs (like once a fortnight), but imo that's just the router fucking up rather than the net.

29th July 2012, 9:41 PM	#37
Grom Hellscream Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SE QLD Posts: 1,659	Yeah you can't do anything about it. I'm in a similar situation, I have two modems that won't hold sync and the only reason I can get a connection is because I have a Fritz!box that lets me set targets for tolerable line noise and SNRs (at the expense of speed). iiNet won't do shit about it because I can get sync, but I'm at the point where I'm going to unplug the Fritz!box, plug my Dlink back in and complain that I have no sync just to get something done about it. Even at those pathetic speeds I still get the occasional dropout.

30th July 2012, 8:34 PM	#41
timace Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Western Sydney Posts: 1,734	OP: A very strange issue you have there. However, both you and Grom Hellscream are exceptionally lucky to get the speeds you have, given your attenuations. I manage a connection which usually sits at 58dB downstream (lots of wiring from the MDF to the modem as it's in a shopping centre, ~5km cable distance). Even provisioned to 512/512, if you breathe the wrong way, it requires umpteen reboots, resets, reconfigures, etc... We're seriously considering 3G if the reception/throughput is half-decent. OP: I'm 30 mins away from you and have Cable (as I have no fixed-line alternative). Move