Guild Wars 2

[terrox]

Originally Posted by Pinkeh

So you actually believe that there was a black hole in commercial development of MMORPGs before World of Warcraft in 2004?
Thus everything after WoW must be a "WoW clone"?

No, I specifically said Korean style MMO model and acknowledge that most people are familiar with WoW...

[andydev]

Originally Posted by DuaNo

Thanks andy,

How is D3 going btw? Are you still playing dude? Also, are you going to be playing GW2? Come join me and Strife in DOWNUNDER.


Not sure which server the OCAU guild will be planting themselves on but I have joined DOWNUNDER guild and Stormbluff Isle is where we will be going it seems.

TOG will be going to Yak's Bend.

The unofficial Oceanic server though is Sea of Sorrows.

More info here about oceanic guilds (although I am not sure how up to date they are):

• http://gw2au.com/guildcodex/
• http://www.gw2guilds.org/

Not playing much D3 lately...

But I'm sure going to be playing GW2 I'll check DOWNUNDER

[edit] Just checked, and they're not accepting new members. I'll be playing with 2 or 3 more friends, so I'm sure we'll join the same server

[Pinkeh]

Originally Posted by terrox

blah

Your post was an informal fallacy because the reasons you listed do not support your conclusion.

So I understand his WoW clone comment and agree that Guildwars is pretty much a WoW clone, it just depends on how close you analyse the details.

You earlier stated that "Guild Wars 2 is pretty much a WoW clone" because

Run around to level 50+ (80 whatever)
Click skill icons to deal damage in 3D style.
Level up in tiny +1 increments, getting gear which is slightly better every level or so.
etc.

It was mentioned that Dungeons and Dragons, Ultima Online, Dark Age of Camelot and many pen and paper/board game RPGs precede most MMORPG games of this generation including World of Warcraft.

We can draw direct ties of many elements in Guild Wars 2 (or any other MMORPG today) from those much loved classics.

So how can Guild Wars 2 be a clone of WoW when all Blizzard has done is refine established ideas and concepts of the fantasy MMORPG genre that has come before it?

The game mechanics you've mentioned are consistent across most first generation and second generation traditional RPGs and MMORPGs regardless of where they are developed, just like the holy trinity of fantasy role playing games, that is "Tank, DPS, Heal" or "Warrior, Ranger/Wizard, Healer". These traits can be tied to the lore in many fantasy novels, Warhammer, the Forgotten Realms, Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, etc.

The only way your to support your conclusion is to invalidate all development that has come before World of Warcraft and assume that WoW is the beginning and the end of all new MMORPG innovations. I.e. Trollpost.







In other news, stress test tomorrow 5am-9am Sydney time. Time to play World of Troll Wars 2.
http://www.examiner.com/article/guil...st-on-august-9

[DuaNo]

Originally Posted by andydev

Not playing much D3 lately...

But I'm sure going to be playing GW2 I'll check DOWNUNDER

[edit] Just checked, and they're not accepting new members. I'll be playing with 2 or 3 more friends, so I'm sure we'll join the same server

I'll let you know when they re-open applications, I think it is only temporarily closed.

[terrox]

Originally Posted by Pinkeh

So how can Guild Wars 2 be a clone of WoW when all Blizzard has done is refine established ideas and concepts of the fantasy MMORPG genre that has come before it?

Ugh, I said Korean-style MMO clone, merely threw in the WoW clone comment because the previous guy did, as I already said twice.

There's other ways to do a fanstasy MMO and Guild Wars 2 chose a similar path to other popular MMOs, rather than doing something fairly different. Hence clone (of whatever WoW is a clone of).

[Draethz]

Find me another MMO without actual quests and where everyone is on an even footing in structured PVP from the first minute you start playing, terrox, and I will be impressed.

[Scroosh]

Originally Posted by terrox

Ugh, I said Korean-style MMO clone, merely threw in the WoW clone comment because the previous guy did, as I already said twice.

There's other ways to do a fanstasy MMO and Guild Wars 2 chose a similar path to other popular MMOs, rather than doing something fairly different. Hence clone (of whatever WoW is a clone of).

Guild wars 1 felt like a Korean and I hated it but trust me guild wars 2 does not feel like a Korean mmo at all. Did you play in any of the beta weekends?

[Revenger]

Both there website and game were timing out the website was just really slow loading.

There restarting the servers.

We are restarting the servers. The Stress Test will resume at 1230 PDT/1530 EDT/2130 CEST.

Login errors there working on.

Originally Posted by Tim McCaughan

Words of wisdom! It looks like we’re still seeing some error codes booting players, but this is the purpose of the stress test.

[Revenger]

if your on a 32bit windows you will be limited in guildwars 2 on graphics.

Originally Posted by Ashley Segovia

This is intended by design to prevent any sort of “Out of Memory” crashes. Unfortunately players who have 32-bit operating systems will be unable to play with the higher graphics settings.

[Scroosh]

Stress test 9am Saturday (tomorrow) until 1pm Sydney time.

[Blackass]

Originally Posted by Scroosh

Stress test 9am Saturday (tomorrow) until 1pm Sydney time.

Hell yes! Even if it's scrappy I'll be able to get a bit more time on the Elementalist to be more sure it's the class I want to play.

[Pinkeh]

I got up at 6am this morning and entered straight away. I was told that it took an hour for that to happen so i took the correct action of "sleeping in"

[IzzehO]

I feel it needs to be pointed out:

For all those periodically starting the updater to download any updates.... you're just re-downloading all the same files again for the most part. The updater is merely just grabber a newer version of all the files every time you run it.

You're far better off just waiting till a few days before release and doing it.

[2SHY]

Pinkeh, is worth grinding for HoM (I am at 23/50). I like to know if i need to do it now or later or if it is worth it at all.

[Pinkeh]

Just get to 30.

Do it now because the population will flop after Gw2 launches