nbn, building my new house...builder wants to know if I want fibre? - Page 2

th3_hawk · 16th May 2012, 11:01 AM

The additional possibilities of what the NBN could deliver really do expand how much wiring you might want to put into a new house.

At four cat 6 points per room + 2 x RG6 for TV/Foxtel even a basic 4 bedroom ends up with 30 runs (4 bed + lounge) and thats before you decide you want some data ports in your kitchen or garage :P

Add in a study as well as provision for audio for surround sound in your lounge and even further around the house and things start to get get quite complex (and expensive)!

One thing that I am currently looking into which might be worth your while is power points which include USB points for charging devices. Preferably ones which shut off when nothing is plugged in.

caspian · 16th May 2012, 11:12 AM

you won't need the adapter, that's just to turn RJ into the weirdo (to us) BS 6312 plug the UK uses.

the PSTN can end up as either 6P4C RJ12 or 8P4C RJ45, a normal modular phone line plug will work fine in either.

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Originally Posted by th3_hawk

One thing that I am currently looking into which might be worth your while is power points which include USB points for charging devices. Preferably ones which shut off when nothing is plugged in.

check these out. http://sockitz.com.au/

no idea about power down, but I can't see power draw being significant with nothing drawing current.

th3_hawk · 16th May 2012, 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by caspian

check these out. http://sockitz.com.au/

no idea about power down, but I can't see power draw being significant with nothing drawing current.

I did see those the other day, keep meaning to head into Bunnings where I'm sure I saw the same sort of thing and check the price / feature differences.

As for current draw, the sockitz actually do exactly what they should and shut down if you remove the USB plug which is awesome. If the Bunnings ones do that I'll buy a couple, if not I'll order the Sockitz.

From their website:

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Our sockITz are all environmentally friendly with no phantom leakage that is normally associated with charging transformers. Once the retractable doors close after charging the power to the port is cut.

Twin 5V USB outputs. 1x 5V max 1A, 1 x 5V max 2A

Also great they are 1 and 2A rated for things like iPad's and newer devices that will make user of that much juice

bryn · 16th May 2012, 2:32 PM

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Originally Posted by warrenr

plasma on one wall, pc on the other. if I want to connect the pc to the tv for the occasional game ...... looks like a hdmi connection from one wall to the other?
Or can cat 6 do that as well?

It can- if you have run enough of it! HDMI over cat5/6 uses 2 cables. If you want other audio or ethernet or video to/from the tv...you'll need lots.

Thats why people are saying 4 runs to a TV area. You can do so much with cat6 if you have the right adapters (ethernet, phone, analogue audio, digital audio, video [composite, component, hdmi, vga], RF for TV antennas or radios, intercom, IR repeaters so remote controls work in other rooms, USB, doorbells...)

warrenr · 16th May 2012, 2:44 PM

its starting to look real expensive. I created a pdf and list and it had that many points I can just picture the builder going WTF

I went with an internal hdmi in the 1st floor
sort of like internal speaker connections
while I was at it I added rear speakers as well

Then I wondered if I'd ever go projector on the 1st floor
decided not to go there as it "should" be easy enough as it is top storey. Will have a gpo and lan point there (Had to for possible ip camera) but didnt go the hdmi...had to draw the line somewhere .....

th3_hawk · 16th May 2012, 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by warrenr

possible ip camera

Something else which again needs an entirely different location for install!

What about an ethernet behind the fridge... just in case

caspian · 16th May 2012, 5:08 PM

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Originally Posted by warrenr

its starting to look real expensive. I created a pdf and list and it had that many points I can just picture the builder going WTF.....

yep, won't be cheap. figure on a couple of grand minimum for cable, wallplates and mounts plus labour, plus any patch rack or cabinet you want, plus provision for NBN (conduit).

on the other hand, if you spend $250k plus building the house and the wiring costs an additional $5, that's 2% more. when I built my house last year, the base design was $170k and it wound up being $235k with all the upgrades and 'bits'. I understand cash isn't limited, but I was working on the principle of not begrudging several hundred thousand dollars for one or two grand more.

warrenr · 16th May 2012, 6:12 PM

a couple of grand....I'm doing that on so many items it really is adding up

Want to go solar panels, led lights, double glazing......I guess its a wish list so far. I'll get the quote, have a heart attack and then I have to step back and start cutting areas on multiple areas,

But thanks for the advice

Not sure where to cut though on the points, so its going to have to be a matter of priority

Probably this order :
2 runs to the patch panel from the garage
string pull only for 3 roof points, porch, fridge and front boundary
1 point only for the 1st floor study/theatre
lose bedroom 1 and 2 points and go wireless only there

not willing to budge on anything else.....

Its the floating slab for the large garage which apparently is going to be expensive. (Damn sloping block)

Anyway - list is sent, I'll wait for the quote.
thanks again for the help

warrenr · 1st July 2012, 7:49 PM

well the quote has come in :

supply and install 22 data points, 2 tv points,2x24 port patch panel, 6 speaker points, pstn conduit, 1 hdmi, data cabinet, and conduit and draw line to future front gate as per sketch plan

$grand total 5371

not sure why he want 2x24 or a data cabinet. I was thinking just bolt it onto the frame under the stairs - but then again, getting a pro means its going to be professionally done which means a cabinet :P

chunksoul · 3rd July 2012, 2:41 AM

one thing to consider with the cabling is

you can always run conduit but no cables and pull the cables through later. to save $$

but putting cables in after you build the house is hideously expensive compared to doing it while you build the house

caspian · 3rd July 2012, 6:31 PM

unless you don't mind ceiling spaces and are not too troubled by overly restrictive cabling laws.

IzzehO · 4th July 2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by th3_hawk

Also great they are 1 and 2A rated for things like iPad's and newer devices that will make user of that much juice

The problem I have with these (and I've got a friend who had them wired in their house) is generally powerpoints are near floor level and are generally no ideally located for plugging in devices (especially if you want to use them, such as when answering a mobile).

USB sockets (and cables) are also not really designed for robustness, and can easily be damaged if knocked or bent too much (i.e. furniture moved in front of it).

A better solution I saw was simply a powered USB hub neatly housed inside the lounge room sidetable (and other furniture) :P

What would interest me is running PoE to one or two of the ports to allow headless boxes for torrents or thin clients. An example usage would be a thin client connected to the media PC that'd switch when you walk into the kitchen and keep playing your movie on the mounted screen in the kitchen (I always hate missing out when cooking).

stEVOx · 15th August 2012, 2:28 PM

In the process of picking a house to build and would like to add in things so don't have to later

I was thinking about just getting the electrician/cabler to add some cat6 and some wall sockets, (such as panel in the study where the NAS may be and with cables to the bedrooms/theatre room etc.

But reading this thread and wiki I see that people are doing 4 cables to the theatre room, could someone elaborate more, I think I understand that one would be for data(stream movies from NAS?) but others have said can run audio, video, phone, etc so could some explain further so I can justify doing that many.

And I'm rather than going back to the NAS/study, possibly find room in a laundry cupboard and have a 16+ port router? with one connection going back to NAS and other going where they need?

What other benefits etc could this have - I think I saw something about if get foxtel, just get it installed in 1 room and then can watch it anywhere?

I think the best solution for me may be to do basic wires and have conduits installed to accommodate for future

Ummm... I guess anything else that I should know before building :-)

Cheers.

16th May 2012, 11:01 AM	#16
th3_hawk Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: [SYD] Campbelltown Posts: 925	The additional possibilities of what the NBN could deliver really do expand how much wiring you might want to put into a new house. At four cat 6 points per room + 2 x RG6 for TV/Foxtel even a basic 4 bedroom ends up with 30 runs (4 bed + lounge) and thats before you decide you want some data ports in your kitchen or garage :P Add in a study as well as provision for audio for surround sound in your lounge and even further around the house and things start to get get quite complex (and expensive)! One thing that I am currently looking into which might be worth your while is power points which include USB points for charging devices. Preferably ones which shut off when nothing is plugged in. __________________ "Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake." Got a VW? VWWatercooled Currently for Sale: Nothing much

3rd July 2012, 2:41 AM	#25
chunksoul Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: adelaide millswood Posts: 2,366	one thing to consider with the cabling is you can always run conduit but no cables and pull the cables through later. to save $$ but putting cables in after you build the house is hideously expensive compared to doing it while you build the house __________________ people i have had successful trades with kedztafe. mykal,nip007,rfsefton,autumn,a million other dudes

3rd July 2012, 6:31 PM	#26
caspian Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Melbourne Posts: 6,109	unless you don't mind ceiling spaces and are not too troubled by overly restrictive cabling laws. __________________ I'm responsible for what I say. I'm not responsible for what you understand.

16th May 2012, 2:44 PM	#20
warrenr Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 3150 Posts: 528	its starting to look real expensive. I created a pdf and list and it had that many points I can just picture the builder going WTF I went with an internal hdmi in the 1st floor sort of like internal speaker connections while I was at it I added rear speakers as well Then I wondered if I'd ever go projector on the 1st floor decided not to go there as it "should" be easy enough as it is top storey. Will have a gpo and lan point there (Had to for possible ip camera) but didnt go the hdmi...had to draw the line somewhere .....

16th May 2012, 6:12 PM	#23
warrenr Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 3150 Posts: 528	a couple of grand....I'm doing that on so many items it really is adding up Want to go solar panels, led lights, double glazing......I guess its a wish list so far. I'll get the quote, have a heart attack and then I have to step back and start cutting areas on multiple areas, But thanks for the advice Not sure where to cut though on the points, so its going to have to be a matter of priority Probably this order : 2 runs to the patch panel from the garage string pull only for 3 roof points, porch, fridge and front boundary 1 point only for the 1st floor study/theatre lose bedroom 1 and 2 points and go wireless only there not willing to budge on anything else..... Its the floating slab for the large garage which apparently is going to be expensive. (Damn sloping block) Anyway - list is sent, I'll wait for the quote. thanks again for the help

1st July 2012, 7:49 PM	#24
warrenr Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 3150 Posts: 528	well the quote has come in : supply and install 22 data points, 2 tv points,2x24 port patch panel, 6 speaker points, pstn conduit, 1 hdmi, data cabinet, and conduit and draw line to future front gate as per sketch plan $grand total 5371 not sure why he want 2x24 or a data cabinet. I was thinking just bolt it onto the frame under the stairs - but then again, getting a pro means its going to be professionally done which means a cabinet :P

15th August 2012, 2:28 PM	#28
stEVOx Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 4	In the process of picking a house to build and would like to add in things so don't have to later I was thinking about just getting the electrician/cabler to add some cat6 and some wall sockets, (such as panel in the study where the NAS may be and with cables to the bedrooms/theatre room etc. But reading this thread and wiki I see that people are doing 4 cables to the theatre room, could someone elaborate more, I think I understand that one would be for data(stream movies from NAS?) but others have said can run audio, video, phone, etc so could some explain further so I can justify doing that many. And I'm rather than going back to the NAS/study, possibly find room in a laundry cupboard and have a 16+ port router? with one connection going back to NAS and other going where they need? What other benefits etc could this have - I think I saw something about if get foxtel, just get it installed in 1 room and then can watch it anywhere? I think the best solution for me may be to do basic wires and have conduits installed to accommodate for future Ummm... I guess anything else that I should know before building :-) Cheers.