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Old 12th August 2012, 2:29 PM   #16
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whats your opinion on KL QDs?
i'm interested in getting a set for my loop, however not sure if its really neccessary
srsly boner? are u new here?
big
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leak
hard to do up
easy to accdentaly undo
expensive (relatively)
unnecessary

did i mention big and ugly?
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Old 12th August 2012, 2:39 PM   #17
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big and ugly?
kinda like your face!

haha no probs. thanks for the heads up
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Old 12th August 2012, 2:53 PM   #18
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kinda like your face!
thats not wot u said last night?
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thats not wot u said last night?
I don't think he was looking at your face...
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Old 12th August 2012, 5:25 PM   #20
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whats your opinion on KL QDs?
i'm interested in getting a set for my loop, however not sure if its really neccessary
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big
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leak
hard to do up
easy to accdentaly undo
expensive (relatively)
unnecessary
Look I think they could be useful for certain situations. If Creekin is right and the flow really is restricted that badly, then you'd have to wonder if it's worth the compromise of a reduced flow rate for ease of disconnection.

They do seem to be reasonably well made, personally I did not find them easy to accidentally disconnect.
However when I disconnected mine today there was barely a drop or two. They are also quite big:



The biggest issue in using them as a drainage system as I was intending, is that due to suction from the seal you can't drain without using two extra connections for both sides- ie when you split the loop you need a spare male and female connection to plug into each side of the 'severed' loop.

Drained


And ready for rebuild


I took the time to fit the NoiseBlocker rubber fan gaskets which I had neglected to add before and rotated the fans to leave the 3pin connectors near other, a bit tidier this way.



I think i'll get some 140mm plexi fan shrouds to channel the air out through the front more effectively..

New tube sections all done. All were reused from the previous sections



Little Man- it's done. Sooooo much neater!
The 45 degree dual rotaries really come into their own here.




Aaaand refill time. Thanks again for the bleed tip converge!
It certainly bled the bulk of the air very quickly, within a few minutes.. Shook the case like a paint mixer and tipped it every which way. I'll let it go for a few hours

I decided to go ghetto and use a McFilth straw, here it is in action


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Old 12th August 2012, 5:40 PM   #21
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I don't think he was looking at your face...
hmm u make a valid point
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Look I think they could be useful for certain situations.
yeah they are in theory..dont get me wrong..i loved them when i first saw them thought they would be awesome..but imxp and from the multiple threads on here and xs..irl they suck...
dont take my word for it...do ya research
heres one recent one for eg
sure there was another
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh....php?t=1038625

as for ur drain issue..
u need to open a port at the top of the loop to let air in as the water comes out
i usually just open the lower spare gpu port stop fitting with an ice cream container under it
and open the res fillport to let air in
insta drain!
remember ur not opening niagra falls
at most theres going to be 2L in a loop
usually less than 1L
so a 2L container is plenty to catch it all
u dont NEED a hose into a bucket
the idea to use them as a drain has been done before
and in loops that need them then they are a good way to drain..
but to put them in on purpose JUST as a drain seems over engineered to me
only time they would be useful IMHO is if u change gpu blocks often
or with external rad
and in both situs in the past i have found other ways
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the straw trick, i prefer the plastic spoon end. make sure you use the bendy plastic spoon as some of em are too stiff and just snap.
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Old 13th August 2012, 9:51 AM   #23
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.do ya research
Well I've read up on a few now that's for sure- they certainly seem to cause noticeable drops

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seems over engineered to me
Never been afraid to over engineer anything but it does have to work ultimately

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i prefer the plastic spoon
Well to be fair I went for that first, but it was too big to jam through the res fillport...

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Old 18th August 2012, 7:02 PM   #24
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Good news everyone!



Now that the rad has been flipped, the SSD mount could be re-fitted. I'll be adding a new drive soonish most likely a Samsung 830, they have gone well in a few other systems I've built for others recently.

Put it all back together as I need to have it running for the time being. Getting some stuff ready to sheath cables and tidy it up inside in the meantime.



The rad now clears the 'shelf' entirely, so I may cut the M4 screws and mount the fans/rad flush, add G1/4" extenders to the rad ports to add clearance for extra fans in push-pull.

May also change the direction to pull air in the front in the usual manner, not sure how much improvement I would see with both of those things done, might try one at a time.

Temps currently running from 26 deg up to around 40 deg under load (scientific method of Diablo 3 Inferno runs), and I think that will tend to go higher- ambient temps experienced so far have probably not hit 25 deg in our house. Fans are only 700rpm so again not sure how much gain I will get with such low volumes of air.

Also wanted to see what the tubing and sata cables looked like under UV, so dug out some unused cold cathodes and plugged them in to test it.



The tubing looks very opaque, I wasn't sure what to expect.



I think my 655 is a bit worn. The loop is mostly quiet, but apart from the hum/whine noise which seems normal there is another noise, kind of like the noise of a mechanical hard disk that is constantly seeking.. urgh.

Not sure whether to continue with the bayres/pump combo or to swap out to a straight bayres, and locate the pump internally somewhere. Decisions decisions..

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You could also use shrouds between the fans and the rad, tends to boost performance a little bit.. up to 20% iirc. Might even help more than push pull
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SR1s have a built in shroud
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Yeah but on the wrong side
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SR1s have a built in shroud
Yeah I'm thinking about that, but not sure if I would see much advantage over the SR1's plenum. Funny you should link those Phobya shrouds, cos that's precisely what I was thinking of.

Still haven't flipped the fans around yet, that will be some of the next work.

I removed my top panel connectors with the intent of changing to the USB3 upgrade version, but couldn't find any for the x1000... No big deal because usually this case sits under my desk, and the top panel is not accessible

So in the future I'll use it to mount switches for lighting I think.




Sooo the noisy D5 was doing my head in. I really don't think it was related to trapped air, because at times it would be fairly quiet, only to become noisy after half an hour or so. So i think it is worn, but I'm going to test it, now that it is removed.



Contemplated replacing it, maybe even with a high tech Aqua Computer digital-controllable version.

The problem is, with the pump right at the front of the machine it's still going to be audible..

Decided to get an Aquastream XT Ultra instead; and what do you know- Creekin has one lying around from an old build. Yoink!

So, grabbed a new res as well- an xspc single 5.25" bayres. I'll put in something more exotic later I think, but for now this is fit for purpose.





Faffed around trying to figure out how I'd mount the pump, until it finally dawned on me that the pump casing has mounting rails on every side

So, flip that baby over on it's side.. voila



Bayres in..



Rework of some of the loop to accommodate the new pump position- sat the pump a bit higher to allow for the Phobya pump decoupler pad that is on it's way.



Finally, decided to install my new ram as well, it's been sitting around for a few weeks. 32GB of G-Skill ARES 1866, win.



Bled the loop last night, once it settled down and started losing air it is amazingly quiet.

Seriously- after two hours and tipping/shaking the case six ways from sunday, it was so quiet... I went away for a bit, come back and was disturbed by the noise- only to realise it was the sound of the PSU fan!!!

Win.
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