AMD Vishera CPU benchmarks (FX8350)...

[aphasia]

it's an engineering sample, C0 (BD 8150 etc are B2) reviewed by some guy in china, posted on obr.hardware.

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/09/...iver-last.html

the single thread performance has only seen a small increase, threaded slightly more.
probably not enough to entice X6 owners to upgrade tho if it OC's well, might be a different story.

the benches are a 'preview' so a box of salt may be required while reading...

EDIT: pinched some of the graphs from the orb preview

[stmok]

Originally Posted by aphasia

the single thread performance has only seen a small increase, threaded slightly more.
probably not enough to entice X6 owners to upgrade tho if it OC's well, might be a different story.

Which confirms our suspicions that Vishera isn't worth one's money or time...It exists solely for the purpose of AMD pushing out something; anything to buy time for their engineers to work on the 3rd generation (Steamroller).

It only seems to make any sense for those who have already invested in the Socket AM3+ platform. (Vishera is likely to be the last processor series to support the platform...As Steamroller is in APU form.)

Originally Posted by aphasia

the benches are a 'preview' so a box of salt may be required while reading...

OBR has given sufficient info to tell us (ballpark-wise) that Piledriver is a minor tweak of Bulldozer. More like a Revision or New Stepping of the existing design. (While his words/language are crude, he makes the point that AMD isn't doing what its supposed to be doing...Take on Intel by doing better with less resources.)

If you're an AMD fan, Steamroller is the one to save up for. AMD has made more notable changes in the 3rd gen, to better address the weaknesses of the current Bulldozer architecture. (Based on their recent presentation at Hotchips 2012 conference).

[Phido]

15% is a fairly good improvement these days. Its at least its faster than a 1100t. Hopefully power consumption is better too.. If it is 15% faster, 15% better power and still at a low price then it will do okay.

Part of the problem with bulldozer was hype and expectations. I don't think that will be a big issue with this one.

AMD still overs decent bang for your buck.

[vid_ghost]

and an Intel i5 2500 is 100% Faster then a 1100T "in Gaming!" 15% .. lol what a joke! we had 100% almost 2 years ago!

Your point being?

[AEKaBeer]

Originally Posted by vid_ghost

an Intel i5 2500 is 100% Faster then a 1100T "in Gaming!"

In 15" crt universe?

[Phido]

Intels are not 100% faster. Show me a bench where an intel CPU of the same price is 100% faster?

Firstly I don't have much interest in gaming, and heaps of gamers still run core2 quads, because games don't really need a strong CPU. Who cares about gaming? Pimply kids?

The 8350 Renders as fast as a 2600k in cinebench 11.5 and encodes faster than a 3770k. So given its almost half the price of those CPU's thats still better bang for your buck.

If your a gamer, AMD is not for you. If your building a render farm with 500 CPU's then AMD is still great value. You can get double the performance for the same price.

AMD seems to be matching up with designs with intels tick/tock (at least in the type and date of the designs if not the performance.)

Clock speeds are only 11% faster so AMD revisions seems to have squeeze another 5% per clock..

[mAJORD]

Originally Posted by stmok

Which confirms our suspicions that Vishera isn't worth one's money or time...It exists solely for the purpose of AMD pushing out something; anything to buy time for their engineers to work on the 3rd generation (Steamroller).

It only seems to make any sense for those who have already invested in the Socket AM3+ platform. (Vishera is likely to be the last processor series to support the platform...As Steamroller is in APU form.)



OBR has given sufficient info to tell us (ballpark-wise) that Piledriver is a minor tweak of Bulldozer. More like a Revision or New Stepping of the existing design. (While his words/language are crude, he makes the point that AMD isn't doing what its supposed to be doing...Take on Intel by doing better with less resources.)

If you're an AMD fan, Steamroller is the one to save up for. AMD has made more notable changes in the 3rd gen, to better address the weaknesses of the current Bulldozer architecture. (Based on their recent presentation at Hotchips 2012 conference).

Well, we haven't seen power consumption figures for it yet. A solid 15% improvement is what was promised, so at least they've executed this time.

5% IPC increase is also reasonable, and expected.

Certainly steamroller will be better for performance, but at the same time it could be another year away. As I mentioned elsewhere.. getting these 8 core's on the FM2 platform would be the best thing. and we will have to wait for steamroller for that it seems.

[bobbth]

Originally Posted by mAJORD

Well, we haven't seen power consumption figures for it yet. A solid 15% improvement is what was promised, so at least they've executed this time.

5% IPC increase is also reasonable, and expected.

Certainly steamroller will be better for performance, but at the same time it could be another year away. As I mentioned elsewhere.. getting these 8 core's on the FM2 platform would be the best thing. and we will have to wait for steamroller for that it seems.

I would call this revision a success, It gives FX the little bump it requires to be competitive (vs 3770k) in heavily multi-threaded workloads and even gives a little in terms of ipc, certainly met my expectations. The big question now is how is overclocking/ power consumption, if a typical piledriver can hit 4.7+ or if power consumption at 4.5 is reasonalbe (not 230w+) then I'm sold on upgrading.

Originally Posted by vid_ghost

and an Intel i5 2500 is 100% Faster then a 1100T "in Gaming!" 15% .. lol what a joke! we had 100% almost 2 years ago!

Your point being?

Unless you're running 120hz you can shut your eyes and pick any $100+ cpu on the market and it will suffice, gamming is terribly GPU dependant, seriously, who buys a cpu based on gaming performance? Almost all of them will do 60fps+ anyway.

[Psycho84]

Well, they did what they said they would this time. ~15% improvement albeit mainly on Multithreaded workloads.

Guess they learned about misinformation from the original bulldozer debacle. Hopefully they also get the price point right.

Now I guess we wait to see how much extra can be squeezed from these things.

[JimmyJimmy]

It's an AMD.. so pump it with plenty of juice and o/c it .. happy days

[Nikon223]

Looks like there will still be no worthy upgrade path on the AMD side. :'(

[dirtyd]

I reckon if GloFo's 32nm process has matured, which you'd hope it would have by now, then Piledriver might be a worthwhile option. The absolute worst thing about Bulldozer is the runaway power consumption, if they fix that and we can jack up frequencies without ridiculous heat, it'll be OK IMO.

[bobbth]

Originally Posted by dirtyd

I reckon if GloFo's 32nm process has matured, which you'd hope it would have by now, then Piledriver might be a worthwhile option. The absolute worst thing about Bulldozer is the runaway power consumption, if they fix that and we can jack up frequencies without ridiculous heat, it'll be OK IMO.

after seeing the power consumption improvements of mobile trinity if piledriver is anywhere near as bad as bulldozer I'm going to go for a trinity setup.

[aphasia]

apparently one of the [H] members scored a free 8350 chip at a AMD promo in Austin, Texas.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1722207

he's asking the members for recommendations on benchmark suites to run on the chip. i'ved already asked him to run;

-CINEBENCH 11.5 x64
-Fritz Chess Bench 4.3 x32
-Geekbench2.3.4 (32bit trial version)
-MaxxMEM v1.99 x32
-wPrime 2.09 x32
-Super PI / mod 1.5 x32
-WinRAR 4.2 x64
-x264 HD Benchmark 5.0.1

...at stock & OC settings. whether he has the time or can be arsed is another matter.

so far he's posted;

CINEBENCH 11.5 (stock)
-single thread: 1.06
-multi thread: 6.82

CINEBENCH 11.5 (OC'ed 4.5GHz/turbo 4.6GHz)
-multi thread: 7.53

Fritz Chess Bench 4.3 (stock)
- relative speed:27.13
- kilo nodes p/s:13,020

at this stage the 8350 looks to be on par with thuban X6 1100 (stock vs stock). unless the PD chip is able to 4.8GHz+ (relative to a thuban OC'ed to ~4.0-4.2GHz) current X6 owners can sit this one out till SR.

[mAJORD]

the 8150 was already faster than an 1100t on average, so not sure about that conclusion.

Incidently, a stock 1100T does ~6 flat in cinebench 11.5 , and that's a benchmark BD is weak at, hence the 8150 performed about the same