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Old 14th September 2017, 1:50 PM   #26296
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Depends on the deal with Microsoft.

School i work for has a single invoice for Microsoft, that contains a number of things (o365, Servers, Desktops etc). So not free - but bundled into our licencing.

GAPPS is free for education (and unlimited GDrive storage )

For the example - we have GAPPS account for staff and students, but staff have mail with o365. Had to do with distribution groups a while ago i think (inherited this).
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Old 14th September 2017, 2:08 PM   #26297
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What stops someone from just stealing all your tech and ideas and doing it themselves?
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Time. The idea is worthless, it is our execution which is what makes people want it and gives it value. Someone could "steal" the idea and do it themselves. If someone is capable of writing software themselves and has the information we do then the question is why haven't they already done it yet? It was a solid ~2 years of work to get where I am now. I know people in the industry and there is only a handful with either the information or the skills and neither seem to have both at a level we do. There are plenty of good tuners in Australia, there are also plenty of good tech founders, there are however not many tech founders who are also extremely interesting in tuning cars and also have contacts in the OEM market to get internal manufacturer data. You need all 3 to do this successfully.

If they approached an investor it would cost at least 2-300k if they outsourced it to a development company. Then they suffer from the same issues our competitors do which is tech debt. Most of them pay an outsourced software company a lot of money to build them a solution. The problem with this software is it is never "done". You need people constantly adding features and tweaking it which means in house tech. Our competitors hardly ever update their software. Customers call them up and wait 6+ months for features to be added, most of the time they just say no leaving the customer with no solution no matter how much cash they have in their pocket as there are multiple items that no one can do except us currently.

The biggest selling features are we are Australian based so they can call us direct and say I need feature X. Currently they go through 3 distributors to a US company who doesn't care about Australia, most the time they won't add features or provide any support at all let alone talk to them directly. They also charge them an absolute shitload for this poor service as there is hardly any competition.

We also support Australian cars primarily, the other companies are US cars, Australian cars second which means they are always lacking features clients want, they also do not have anyone on the ground to test features out and have to fly a team over from the US. This is super expensive so it almost never happens.

We store all our IP behind a web API, so for someone to crack our software they would have to hack our server, even then they would only get access to the IP they have already purchased. Our competitors store it all in their local software on your PC and is easily cracked.
  • So copying the idea is unlikely as there just doesn't seem to be anyone available with the information we have AND the skillset we have that isn't already working on another project.
  • Cracking and ripping off the idea is more difficult than our competitors which have not been publically cracked to date (though there are people privately sending around cracked copies).
  • Copying the idea, getting VC and outsourcing development will result in a more expensive and inferior product as has been seen by everyone who has tried this to date.
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Old 14th September 2017, 2:24 PM   #26298
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Student 365 acc's for free? Interesting.
Yep, every kid in QLD at a state school (even preps) get access to Office 365 Suite and email.

Staff get the suite as well (for free), reduced cost Window 10 and basically free Adobe CC.

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Old 14th September 2017, 3:40 PM   #26299
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We also support Australian cars primarily, the other companies are US cars, Australian cars second which means they are always lacking features clients want, they also do not have anyone on the ground to test features out and have to fly a team over from the US. This is super expensive so it almost never happens.
Curiously, considering there are no 'Australian cars' anymore (once Holden closes down), how does this matter?

I know the locally delivered ones have mildly different suspension tunes, but I wouldn't say the engine maps are that much different anymore?
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Old 14th September 2017, 4:11 PM   #26300
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Curiously, considering there are no 'Australian cars' anymore (once Holden closes down), how does this matter?

I know the locally delivered ones have mildly different suspension tunes, but I wouldn't say the engine maps are that much different anymore?
Depends, could just as easily be fuel differences. Standard fuel in the EU is 95RON. 91RON here in AU, which is why when carmakers get lazy, like holden, and import an EU vehicle such as the new Astra, it ends up requiring premium fuel only.
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Old 14th September 2017, 5:35 PM   #26301
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Depends, could just as easily be fuel differences. Standard fuel in the EU is 95RON. 91RON here in AU, which is why when carmakers get lazy, like holden, and import an EU vehicle such as the new Astra, it ends up requiring premium fuel only.
Current ECUs readjust on the run anyway.

I'm just curious as to how much this kind of tech is required for new cars (as opposed to older cars).
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Old 14th September 2017, 5:37 PM   #26302
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Student 365 acc's for free? Interesting.

My daughter is in a Catholic School and she has google apps account, wonder if it is free or we subsidise it via school fees.
Yes, Office 365 for Education Faculty and Office 365 for Education Student are both free.
These are, more or less, equivalent to an E1 style plan.
Education E5 plans have associated costs, but dramtically lwoer than standard E5
Proplus for Student and ProPlus for faculty are also basically $3.00 each or less

I think GApps does it for free also..
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Old 14th September 2017, 6:09 PM   #26303
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Current ECUs readjust on the run anyway.

I'm just curious as to how much this kind of tech is required for new cars (as opposed to older cars).
They can only readjust within a fixed margin/trim from the basemap. Cars and modern ECUs are built to a price and have many compromises to produce a target power level while complying with ever more onerous emissions limits.

The consequences of poor fuel octane rating is detected by knock events and adjusted via retarding timing. Due to the difficulty of knock detection this is a lagging adjustment and limited in RPM range to avoid false positives (more expensive aftermaket ECUs and/or performance cars will use windowing to improve this). Thus an ECU running near the limit of its margin/trim is more susceptible to damaging an engine in adverse conditions (i.e. labouring engine, poor fuel, hot day).
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Old 14th September 2017, 6:21 PM   #26304
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Current ECUs readjust on the run anyway.

I'm just curious as to how much this kind of tech is required for new cars (as opposed to older cars).
Your sub 30K astra will not retune for 91ron. If it says 95 or 98 only and you run it on 91 the car will eventually shag itself and holden will happily pull the logs showing the substandard fuel and leave you swinging.
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Old 14th September 2017, 7:28 PM   #26305
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I haven't watched that show but it seems equal parts amusing (schadenfreude style) and frustrating as all fuck (because of smug panelists).
Watched one show, turned it off half way, never went back.

Three things in life that shit me to tears:

* Wantrepreneurs
* Smug fuckers with money who think they're good at business because they were in the right place at the right time by accident
* Reality TV cut for morons that repeats itself every few minutes

That show ticks every one of my trigger boxes, and will never appear on my television again.

Hell, my wife is away at the moment, and free-to-air TV hasn't once appeared on any screen in the house the entire time she's been gone. The kids and I consume entirely streaming services now.
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Old 14th September 2017, 8:46 PM   #26306
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Your sub 30K astra will not retune for 91ron. If it says 95 or 98 only and you run it on 91 the car will eventually shag itself and holden will happily pull the logs showing the substandard fuel and leave you swinging.
You aren't putting your sub-30K astra into a tuner
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Old 14th September 2017, 9:17 PM   #26307
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You aren't putting your sub-30K astra into a tuner
Of course not, the tuner goes in the car silly.

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Old 14th September 2017, 9:48 PM   #26308
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* Reality TV cut for morons that repeats itself every few minutes
I don't understand how anyone can put up with the above.

The reality TV format in general shits me and I can't sit through it without playing bullshit bingo, much to my wife's disgust when she's trying to watch Masterchef / Cooking et al. That said she's finally figured out that Reality TV is just the same "personality conflict" plot in a a variety of different settings and it's just not worth losing brain cells over it.

Repetitive editing (and sensationalising facts) effects far too much content these days, just to pad out the airtime I suppose. I can't enjoy Air Crash Investigation (or anything made by Nat Geo & its relatives) due to the repetition, no matter how interesting to subject matter.
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Old 14th September 2017, 9:52 PM   #26309
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Of course not, the tuner goes in the car silly.

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I don't understand how anyone can put up with the above.

The reality TV format in general shits me and I can't sit through it without playing bullshit bingo, much to my wife's disgust when she's trying to watch Masterchef / Cooking et al. That said she's finally figured out that Reality TV is just the same "personality conflict" plot in a a variety of different settings and it's just not worth losing brain cells over it.

Repetitive editing (and sensationalising facts) effects far too much content these days, just to pad out the airtime I suppose. I can't enjoy Air Crash Investigation (or anything made by Nat Geo & its relatives) due to the repetition, no matter how interesting to subject matter.
Oh man, it really is aimed at the low end of the intellectual spectrum. Zero doubts. And having seen inside the belly of the beast, it's not much better in there.

What drives me absolutely fucking bananas is the constant repeating of content. Typically before/after advertising breaks, but not necessarily. I mean, I don't have a terribly high opinion of the average human being at the best of times, but reality TV audiences convince me the whole lot need to be purged and we should start again.
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