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Old 12th October 2017, 5:09 PM   #2056
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Well my build is not going so smoothly - everything is set up apart from the GPU and working great, but after installing the EVGA cooler on the 1080ti the card doesn't work (I can boot with the CPU's hdmi output - in Windows, device manager can see the 1080ti but gives 'error code 43').

Will try to figure it out on the weekend. Hope I haven't bricked the GPU
Weird, I had a lot of issues with my Shift as well, which is why I moved to the P1.

My issue was freezing on boot up and my display drivers would constantly crash. I also thought it was my GPU, Vega 64, but when Case Gear tested it it was all fine and running different parts it had the same issue.

My advise: Remove all parts from the case and run them externally to see if they have the same issue and swap out parts you have spares for until youj can confirm where the issue lies.
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Old 13th October 2017, 7:18 PM   #2057
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I can finally post in this thread!! Have a black corsair graphite 380T and a gigabyte AB350N-Gaming WIFI and a couple of processors and ram kits..

Looking forward to my first ITX build, my first AM4 build and my first DDR4 build this weekend.

I shall call the computer the lan Computer One.. or LC1
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Old 18th October 2017, 7:05 AM   #2058
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Itx friends - I have 3 questions at the moment for my SG13 build:

1. What is the best (quiet and efficient) SFX psu to get? Is the 500-LG any good? Must be quiet

2. Have any of you guys gone the unorthodox route with cooling a Silverstone Sugo? Like an external rad for GPU aoi or fit a larger rad somewhere for full WC? I was thinking of moving the psu to where the front intake is, move GPU to above the mobo via riser and try to tuck a slim 240 in the side where the GPU normally goes .... Or transverse a shorty GPU behind the front fan opening and 240 rad on the side ...

3. Or do you guys think an undervolted Founders 1080 or 1080Ti will be quiet?

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Old 18th October 2017, 9:11 AM   #2059
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Itx friends - I have 3 questions at the moment for my SG13 build:

1. What is the best (quiet and efficient) SFX psu to get? Is the 500-LG any good? Must be quiet
I have the 700W Platinum and it has hybrid mode due to the fact they use a proper 120mm fan, none of the standard length SFX PSU's have hybrid mode so they run constantly and ebing 92mm are slightly audible, but not by much.
My recommendation however is to grab one of the new BeQuiet! SFX-L PSU's PCCG has just gotten in, because Silverstone has a history of introducing coil whine, something I have noticed, and BeQuiet! PSU's are great, I think they use a better OEM than SS to my knowledge.

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2. Have any of you guys gone the unorthodox route with cooling a Silverstone Sugo? Like an external rad for GPU aoi or fit a larger rad somewhere for full WC? I was thinking of moving the psu to where the front intake is, move GPU to above the mobo via riser and try to tuck a slim 240 in the side where the GPU normally goes .... Or transverse a shorty GPU behind the front fan opening and 240 rad on the side ...
I've seen plenty of people watercool then, mostly with front mounted 120's BUT with an SFX-L you might run into issues, do some measuring. But it's possible, just not easy, you will at the very least run into thermal issues if you are putting a 1080/ti into a loop with the CPU. My mate has a 6700k and 1080 in a single loop with a 240mm rad in his NCase M1 and thermal throttles on the CPU.

But more to the point, which Sugo? There's like 10+ now

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3. Or do you guys think an undervolted Founders 1080 or 1080Ti will be quiet?

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If noise level is you thing get something like the Zotac 1080 Mini, it's very quiet, small and not mega power hungry and won't interfere with front mounted radiators.
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Old 18th October 2017, 9:24 AM   #2060
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Thanks Tazor, at the top I mentioned SG13 I had a WC SG05 (4790k and gtx970) a while back so this is the next iteration of that project. The mission is small, quiet, powerful. The 1080Ti option is mainly for air cooled GPU, if I water cool the GPU I was looking at a shortie like an AMD nano or Fury-X. I read the shortie zotac 1080Ti needs good airflow or it's noisey too, the side of an SG13 might not qualify as good airflow. I don't need massive GPU power for this, it's meant to be a new daily box that can game so the AMD GPUs I mentioned will be enough (and I have a full block for a Nano here).

I had a 1080 and Ti both in FE and they are quiet at low fan speeds, plus I was reading about undervolting Founders so maybe an undervolted FE with cool air intake at the side of the case would be fine.

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Old 18th October 2017, 10:37 AM   #2061
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I have the 700W Platinum and it has hybrid mode due to the fact they use a proper 120mm fan, none of the standard length SFX PSU's have hybrid mode so they run constantly and ebing 92mm are slightly audible, but not by much.
My recommendation however is to grab one of the new BeQuiet! SFX-L PSU's PCCG has just gotten in, because Silverstone has a history of introducing coil whine, something I have noticed, and BeQuiet! PSU's are great, I think they use a better OEM than SS to my knowledge.

I may be mistaken but im pretty sure the corsair SF450 and SF600 both have hybrid mode and don't spin the fan up until 60c or so. They are both standard length units with 92mm fans
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Are they quiet when the fan kicks on? I would prefer a fan on all the time that is quiet, while some power supply fans are atrocious I think most are ok theae days. I think other components are more of a worry for noise.

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I cant say for sure as I don't own one YET (waiting for my NCASE to arrive and more stock of 8700K) but they do get a lot of good reviews and recommendations on a few of the SFF forums. Although no 92mm fan will be as quiet as a 120mm
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Old 18th October 2017, 11:06 AM   #2064
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Just asked a friend with a Corsair unit and he assured me it's quiet (same dude with the NCASE)
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Old 18th October 2017, 12:20 PM   #2065
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Does the SG13 need an adapter to fit in the SF450 or SF600 PSU?

I know silverstones SF PSUs have the adapter included in the box already.
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Yes SG13 takes a full size psu so the reducer plate would be needed. On that note I can just use the 650w psu that was purchased with the case (ST65F-G with short cable kit)). The main idea with the SFX was if the extra space creates more cooling options, I don't mind going Frankenstein on it if it works. I guess an SFX-L doesn't really create much more space anyway.

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Yes SG13 takes a full size psu so the reducer plate would be needed. On that note I can just use the 650w psu that was purchased with the case (ST65F-G with short cable kit)). The main idea with the SFX was if the extra space creates more cooling options, I don't mind going Frankenstein on it if it works. I guess an SFX-L doesn't really create much more space anyway.

Well with an adapter you would get more space above the the motherboard and at the front of the case at least, which would give better rad options and more tubing clearance for CPU block, also the additional horizontal space would probably let you mount a 240mm rad long ways above the motherboard, wedged next to the PSU. Airflow would be shit though and probably not much better than a 40-60mm front 140mm rad with high SP fans.

In fact, I reckon if you do an SFX (L or not) PSU, a 1080 mini with Thermosphere and a relatively low heat CPU, something like an EK CE140 rad with push/pull 140mm EK Vardar EVO's would give you enough cooling power when required and since the EVO's can turn themselves off at low load, would give you a silent system besides pump.

A single CE 140 with push pull will be heaps for something like an R7 1700 + 1080 mini due to the low power and heat on both.

SFX PSU would probably allow you to mount an Apogee with integrated DDC since you'll have very little room for pump or res (unless you wedge the pump next the PSU at the top)
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I had an apogee and hated it, noisey piece of crap that died and was buried ...

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I had an apogee and hated it, noisey piece of crap that died and was buried ...

Then don't use an Apogee the rest should be fine though
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I have an 8400 on the way, do you think a single 140 would cool it and a GPU (assuming I don't go wild on the GPU)? What about a second 120mm rad out the back (on stand off mounts)?

I can always swap to a different case but I did the full WC SG05 before so I wanted to see if I could do it again but better this time.

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