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Old 19th June 2017, 10:43 AM   #4621
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I've decided that I need a Les Paul
Is it bad form to ask what colour you'd like?
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Old 19th June 2017, 10:49 AM   #4622
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Is it bad form to ask what colour you'd like?
Either heritage or light cherry burst or white with black binding/gold hardware.
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Old 22nd June 2017, 7:08 PM   #4623
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New toys...



The plan is to use the midi features in the ES-8 to control the Mobius, DD500 and switching for the JVM410H.
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Old 26th June 2017, 4:19 PM   #4624
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very nice! you seem like quite an advanced player...

we should have a pedalboard thread
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Old 27th June 2017, 10:10 AM   #4625
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Sounds great. I've really got to sell my Zoom G5 and move to individual pedals but I'm only a bedroom warrior and I'm not hugely fussed.

I've decided that I need a Les Paul as I've been dying to get one for at least 15 years, so I've set myself a goal of buying a 2017 Gibson Les Paul Standard, or if I can find a good second hand one with 60's neck I'd be keen on that too.
And yes I don't care about the other brands that make LP style guitars, or other so called better guitars at a similar price.
Just don't buy one without playing it for a bit. They would have to be the most inconsistent guitars on the planet.
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Old 27th June 2017, 1:54 PM   #4626
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Just don't buy one without playing it for a bit. They would have to be the most inconsistent guitars on the planet.
Care to expand? I'm aware of the different neck shapes, but they shouldn't change much between the models (studio, trad, standard etc) for each year.

There's no way I'd order one online, but unfortunately I'm in Coffs and there's no good guitar shops here so I have to go to Melbourne or Sydney. I'll probably just bite the bullet and fly to Melbourne to go to Gallins since they're the importers.
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Old 27th June 2017, 3:02 PM   #4627
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You can play 5 LP Standards off the same rack and 4 of them aren't that great.
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Old 27th June 2017, 6:15 PM   #4628
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And the 5th one will have some kind of fretwork issue.
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Old 27th June 2017, 7:13 PM   #4629
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And the 5th one will have some kind of fretwork issue.
Strange considering the frets are levelled by some crazy machine on the standards...

I've got a big feeling there's a lot of hate towards Gibsons from people that haven't played many.
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Old 27th June 2017, 7:23 PM   #4630
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PLEK machines are still at the mercy of their operators. Gibson is a tradition for sure, but its not the same company who made the classics like Greeny.

Ive played many Gibbies in store, but ESP fretwork on Navigators and even the Edwards LPs is much more consistent.
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Old 27th June 2017, 7:30 PM   #4631
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I would argue that even the quality of some of the Korean guitars coming out these days (PRS SE, Champan, LTD and many others) are fantastic quality given the price. It all comes down to feel though. Some people go mad for the '59 necks but they're too fat for me. I was playing a Les Paul back in 2002 and it was just incredible, but I have no idea what model or year it was!
I don't believe the fucking glue has an effect on the tone though, or the paint. Some people are just mad.
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So I've had my NGD, the pickup serials lead me to conclude that it's a 1979 LPS-100, it has the 100 stamped on the back of the headstock, and the pickups were manufactured in September '78. They were still manufacturing the LC series at Kasuga prior to '79.
Isn't the bridge on backwards?
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Korean and Indonesian made guitars are fantastic bang for the buck.
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Old 28th June 2017, 8:05 AM   #4633
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Don't you always need to have a "fiddle" setup done after you buy a new quitar? The shop I bought from includes that initial setup with the purchase (do they all do that?). How can you assess the quality/whether there's something wrong or "not good" as opposed to it needing to be fiddled with?

tldr: what's the diff between a "bad" instrument and one that needs proper setup?
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Old 28th June 2017, 8:41 AM   #4634
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Isn't the bridge on backwards?
Yeah, those photos were taken before I did anything with it. It's in getting fret dressed at the moment, whoever had it previously to the guy who I bought it off pretty much just played open chords on it, the nitro's worn off behind the first to third fret, and the fret wear was inconsistent. Usual old guitar stuff. Adds to the character and feel, as they say.

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Strange considering the frets are levelled by some crazy machine on the standards...

I've got a big feeling there's a lot of hate towards Gibsons from people that haven't played many.

The PLEK manufacturers have some... Grievances with Gibson on this. They also changed the way that they do their fret nibs quite a while ago, that often leaves a noticeable gap between the end of the fret and the nib, as well as often making them just look at bit ratty.

I've found the opposite, people who haven't played many, (or any), Gibsons are their most ardent defenders in my circles. I've played dozens, probably approaching 100, and I would certainly never buy one new, although I always have an eye out for a decent second hand SG or 335. The best ones that I've played from a construction and finish POV have all been SGs, the only really decent LPs have been approaching the same age as my Navigator. It isn't a matter of "so-called" better guitars, people were always going to start looking further afield with the QA and production decisions that Gibson have made over the last 15-20 years. Not to mention things out of their control, such as having the EPA and others up their arse over wood species and imports that can give builders in other countries a competitive advantage.

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Don't you always need to have a "fiddle" setup done after you buy a new quitar? The shop I bought from includes that initial setup with the purchase (do they all do that?). How can you assess the quality/whether there's something wrong or "not good" as opposed to it needing to be fiddled with?

tldr: what's the diff between a "bad" instrument and one that needs proper setup?
If you go to a shop, they would be mad to not have them set up perfectly on display, and if they said "I'll grab a boxed up one from out the back" that you hadn't played, you'd be mad for accepting.

Online used trading is ok once you get into the higher end gear, because if you shop wisely, and don't be scared to bargain reasonably hard, you're not going to lose a lot on resale in the quest for "the one". You only really get rekt when you buy new and sell second hand if you don't like it.
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they would be mad to not have them set up perfectly on display
They might, but when there are hundreds and all sorts of customers can mess with them, wouldn't that be impracticable? Anyway, I suppose experience musos have a better chance of recognising the wheat from chaff than I do, I'm just interested in learning as much as I can.
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