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Old 14th July 2017, 1:54 PM   #5431
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I had some of the 5000 chipset dual xeon boards years ago. Pita to setup if you don't have existing server hardware due to them requiring specific socket 771 server formfactor coolers (Dynatron or ones from OEM's). Not worth playing around unless you have coolers for the boards as mentioned.
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Old 15th July 2017, 1:34 AM   #5432
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Looking at pickup up an old server dual xeon with a S5000VSA board just to play around with, but I haven't had any experience with these. Besides needing fully buffered DDR2 which I'd need to get some of are there any other pitfalls or required hardware to watch out for to get these up and running?
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I had some of the 5000 chipset dual xeon boards years ago. Pita to setup if you don't have existing server hardware due to them requiring specific socket 771 server formfactor coolers (Dynatron or ones from OEM's). Not worth playing around unless you have coolers for the boards as mentioned.
I have RAM and CPU coolers should you need them, I also have a few different matched 771 CPU's if you're interested.
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Old 15th July 2017, 5:09 PM   #5433
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Old 17th July 2017, 11:57 PM   #5434
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As alluded to earlier I started a new slow-burn experiment/project today: Just for shits'n'giggles converting a 1541 to use a track zero sensor. Apart from the reliability aspect it's just an interesting intellectual exercise. Don't ask why: just two dogs.
It will take quite some time due to some necessary "staged holds" so I'll just lob things in this thread as they happen.

The 1541C (which is actually designated 1541B) firmware supports the sensor, which can be enabled with a jumper. Both the "B" controller board and firmware have design flaws which made it a pretty crap drive. There were bit density zone bugs, T0 switch detection bugs and other nasties, and the cost-reduced controller used a monolithic to reduce component counts that was inferior and unreliable.

The drive I've chosen is a "1541C" which is actually a straight 1541 in a white case, Newtronics drive and a slightly updated native 1541 controller board. Not to be confused with the 1541-II. Confused? Yeah - so am I.

There is an IMPROVED 1541 C(I mean B) version of the firmware which fixes most of the bugs (And the infamous "Save@replace bug" that trashed directories), but poses problems as there are changes in the LOWER and UPPER 8K ROM address ranges. Not a problem with the 1541C as it uses a single 16K ROM, but the native 1541 uses 2 8K ROMS. So I need to split the ROM images, have 2 burned and handle them both. Handling ROM checksums, ROM switching and hacking the JiffyDOS ROM (in 6502 assembly) to handle the altered setup, whilst maintaining compatibility (which means jumping to patch tables in a VERY CROWDED ROM). At least the source code was recently discovered

The native 1541 board is also lacking the necessary logic. I need a pair of inverters and there's only a single inverter spare: a 74LS04 is the most convenient.
I HATE using "dead-bug" hacks: they look awful and unprofessional, and they are every bit as reliable as they look.

THERE though I've been lucky, as unlike the classic 1540 shortboard the later rev. 1541 board I'm using has a couple of unpopulated 14 pin solder pads with most pins unconnected. After a bit of track-tracing I determined that I could drop a 74LS04 Hex (6way) inverter in, and have 4 inverters available.


So I removed pins 1-4 from a milled-pin socket, fitted it, and installed the 75LS04. With Ground/VCC on pins 7 & 14 that leaves 4 input/output pairs active: more than I need
If you look closely at the image below you can see that the bottom left 4 pins don't have any metal contacts, remaining unconnected. The board actually routes them to the clock circuitry so I don't want them interfering. (full res image HERE - sorry it's a bit flakey - took it with my phone)



That's as far as I got today: if I get some time tomorrow I'll work on the analogue side: powering the LED and hooking up the optical sensor. There's a small debounce circuit which I'll probably mount on the sensor board, but I haven't quite worked out the best way to do that. It's only an R/C circuit, so it can go pretty much anywhere.

Then gettings the ROM images done. That'll be fun, but least I can (mostly) test them out in VICE - a software emulator.

All a total and utter waste of productive time

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edit: just noticed I should fit a decoupling cap in the provided pass-through solder pads
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Old 19th July 2017, 11:22 PM   #5435
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No photos today, just an update: One step forwards, two steps back.
I'd co-opted some of the PCB connectors for the drive switches and finished all the soldering. Just thought I'd meter it all out to make sure I made no mistakes......

Just as well I did: turns out there are some tracks concealed UNDERNEATH the pin header that strap most of the pins I was using to +12V Morover a trace I added for functionality would have shorted +12V to ground

Since these traces were otherwise unused they're not documented on any of the schematics. I'd have to do a bucket-ton of cutting and rerouting of traces to make it work, and since that would defeat the purpose of making it tidy, I'll just have to bite the bullet and put in another pin header dedicated to the track zero sensor. Bugger: another trip to Jaycar. IF they have the header I want.

So I undid all the board reworking, and fired it up to test.

It was at that precise moment that the mains power switch decided to join the the fuse carrier in crumbling and falling apart.
Nothing for it - I plundered one from a 1541 donor carcass, cut out the old one and soldered/(double)sleeved the donor switch into the wiring.

Finally fired it back up. All working, but all I have to show for it is a swapped out power switch and a couple of logic connections.

In the retro world it doesn't take much for your day to turn to shit Ah well, at least I didn't BREAK anything!!

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Old 19th July 2017, 11:30 PM   #5436
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Bought a pair of G4 Cubes and I have no idea why, i'll never use them.

Ho hum. At least they were cheap.
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Old 19th July 2017, 11:36 PM   #5437
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Back when new models weren't just incremental updates!
My wife's HTC 10 is doing stupid things yet again, so it's back off to the Optus Shop for them to faff about with some more and not actually do anything useful (side rant: fuck phone network providers and locked phones).

Meanwhile, she's on her Nokia 1110 for a few weeks while Optus faff about (oh, yeah, she doesn't get a temp phone either - thanks for nothing, Optus). All the same, it's retro city for her. No Google Hangouts, no Facebook, SMS with no images and a dozen new emojis that don't work. Quite the throwback.

She also mentioned 2G is phased out August? Anyone here going to have a crack at setting up their own private GSM network any time soon?
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Old 20th July 2017, 5:21 AM   #5438
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I wonder if any wap services still exist. Lol
Edit: seems that phone doesnt support wap
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Old 23rd July 2017, 7:41 PM   #5439
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There seems to be one young bloke here in Brisbane by the name of Joel Dauber who goes around vacuuming up all the consoles and selling them off at events he hypes. Last one I tried to go to there wasn't enough room, so everyone stood around in the blistering sun for an hour not even being able to make it in the front gate. I had a few hundred bucks with me, and had to leave before heat stroke set in.
Well, looks like Joel Dauber has blocked me from all of his Facebook events. Unsurprising. He's a marketing guy by trade, and very careful to make sure his "brand" is kept squeaky clean.

Someone tagged me in one of his hype events a few weeks back. I asked them not to, as the guy has been really annoying a lot of the oldschool retro game collectors around town, and I didn't want anything to do with him. It seems he's taken that as quite the personal attack, and shut down not only my access to his social media pages, but also a running discussion on Aussie Arcade where feedback about him wasn't particularly positive from several members either.

Sad, really. The whole market here in Brisbane has been totally stripped bare by him, with nothing left any more to buy at reasonable prices (he stashes his stuff in his house, it seems, and brings it all out once every 6 months at prices that even rival eBay).

I guess I'm sticking to flash carts then. I'd advise others to do the same, and avoid his ludicrous prices. Word has it retro gaming prices in the UK are beginning to topple, as the bubble has burst. Hopefully the same happens here as the fad dies down back to regular standards.
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Old 23rd July 2017, 8:06 PM   #5440
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Control the market, monopolize & set high pricing upon release

Intel marketing man .......
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Old 23rd July 2017, 8:22 PM   #5441
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Intel marketing man .......
He does indeed work in marketing (not for Intel though). It shows in all of his events, with the complete lack of integrity and passion he has for any of it, but all of the hype and greed.

A really sad state of affairs for such a tiny community here in Brisbane.
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Old 23rd July 2017, 9:09 PM   #5442
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What is it with the retro console scene and drama? It's not the first time I've heard of unscrupulous dealings going on, usually overseas though. A bigger market so more buyers to target? I suppose it's more easier to get into too for the average douchebag as generally with computer hardware some technical knowledge is a must since your dealing with so many different components and so many variations.
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I can't imagine how it's worth this dude's time - the margins can't be that great on retro hardware / it's getting harder to find bargains to flip / there isn't a huge market or demand I wouldn't have thought.
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Old 23rd July 2017, 10:24 PM   #5444
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A couple of years ago I could pick up decent Commodore stuff on Gumtree. Now almost all ads are "Want to buy", and clearly flippers. Found one also selling a boxed "VIC20" - keyboard didn't match the case vintage and the power supply was from an Amiga 500 Some poor sap will pick it up. And the PRICES

Oh dear.

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Old 24th July 2017, 10:56 PM   #5445
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What is it with the retro console scene and drama? It's not the first time I've heard of unscrupulous dealings going on, usually overseas though. A bigger market so more buyers to target? I suppose it's more easier to get into too for the average douchebag as generally with computer hardware some technical knowledge is a must since your dealing with so many different components and so many variations.
It's the feelings Atari Joe ........made to pay too much as well.
Already mentioned the collectors in Brisbane rounded up & cattle herd to the promotion.
1x dude, a king pin.

Un-kingpin, rake in the stock before he does = win
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