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Old 25th November 2016, 3:53 PM   #76
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I would never want my dog to be a guard dog in a suburban environment. I totally dislike having a dog that barks at loud/strange noises, it just pisses all the neighbours off.
My staffie lives inside, at night if there's a strange noise he sits up and grumbles, him and I go check to see what's going on, I praise him and we go back inside. He's saved my arse and my stuff a few times, as has my previous staffie.
A dog that barks all the time will not cause *anybody* to call the cops because "there's somebody breaking in next door" it will cause your neighbours to call the cops/council because "the dog next door barks all the time" or they will bait it.
Putting up signs saying there's a dog causes fuckers to look over the fence to see if there's a dog they can steal to use for fighting or to use to train their fighting dogs... I'd rather my staffie inside behind locked doors where nobody sees him while I'm away during the day.
Dogos can be trained and they are awesome loyal dogs, but like any bull breed they need a strong/consistent, experienced hand... they are not at all a good first dog.
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Dogo Argentino is dangerous
A lot of uneducated,inexperienced guessers commenting here. All dogs are dangerous if not trained and socialised properly .The dogs temperament i believe is a reflection of the owners nurturing ,loving,training and socialising with humans,dogs and animals.Dogos wernt just hunters,some farmers used them to protect there livestock against predators,most owners had them as pets.Yes they have a natural guarding instinct as does every dog on the planet.They are a highly intelligent breed and an awesome family companion,loyal and gentle with children.Im a dog fanatic,judge,breeder and owner.Ive met a few Dogos in Oz in the 80s and early 90s and i was most impressed by this majestic ancient Breed,and there behaviour in a family environment.They are a member of the "Mollossoid" family wich includes Neapolitan Mastiff,Dogue de Bordeox,Rottwieler,doberman.Fila Brasiliera,Bulldog,Dogo Canario,Tibetan Mastiff and a few others.One of the oldest family of dog and closely related to The wolf.
Check the stats of dog attacks in America and Canada and any one who says or thinks Dogo are human eaters will surely see how wrong they are.2 attacks by Dogo compared to100s by Rottweilers and German Shepard.
So at the end of the day we should be banning them.
I will let all you dogo or plainly dog haters know,a large group of breeders and enthusiasts have begun a campaign to have Dogos re introduced to Australia as the world eide statics show they are responsible for only%0.0002 of attacks internationally.

]this is from a dog behavioural study
A lot of Care2 readers already know that some bigger dogs, like Pit Bulls, are misunderstood and unfairly labeled as aggressive breeds. So what are the most aggressive dog breeds? I came across a study published in the journal Applied Animal Behavior Science a few years ago, and the answer surprised me.

The most aggressive breed, the study found, was the Dachshund. The researchers discovered that that one in five have bit or attempted to bite a stranger, and one in twelve have lashed out at their owners. Chihuahuas were in second place, and Jack Russells were the third most aggressive breed. Up to 30 percent of these smaller breeds have bit or attempted to bite unfamiliar dogs.

Surprised? One of the study’s researchers thinks that bigger dogs were thought to be more aggressive because past research looked at bite statistics—but most bites are not reported. Bigger dogs have bigger bites, which makes it more likely that those–not Dachshund bites—are the ones being medically treated and therefore reported. This study, however, surveyed 6,000 dog owners instead.

The least aggressive breeds included Basset Hounds, Golden Retrievers, Labradors, Siberian Huskies, and Greyhounds. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers scored about average to below average in the study

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Old 25th November 2016, 4:13 PM   #77
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reading a bunch of this im often reminded of how people automatically assume an akita is a viscous dog, and assume that an american akita is the same as a Japanese akita.

I think the general public could do with some training on dog aggression, and what is part of the breeds inherently, what is genetics from their parents, what is learned behaviour, and what the size and type of dog mean

the other day walking my dog, a 30+ kg JA puppy, an off leash jack russell runs up, barking and snapping at my dog. If i didnt intervene there would have probably been a fight and im pretty sure i know which dog would be worse off. If that happened my dog would be automatically put into the dangerous dogs bucket with the council. It will now take us about 3-6 months of to repair the damage that dog caused to mine's temperament.

the reality of it all is the the decisions around what is allowed/what isnt allowed is typically made by people that are not educated in the field, and also take into account everyone, not just ideal candidates.

If you introduced pet licencing, where a person needed different 'levels' of qualifications for different breeds, all issues would be sorted. (pretty sure we already to that for reptiles)
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Old 26th November 2016, 3:02 PM   #78
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Baffles me why any relatively sensible person would consider having one of these around children..............
Baffles me how people who obviously have no understanding or live and passion for exotic dog breeds and has actually researched dog attack statistics internationally can comment on this subject at all.Read my last posts pn this topic and you will understand how wrong you are about the Dogo Argentino.
Dachshunds and fox terrier atack more people so lets ban them.....fool
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Old 26th November 2016, 5:47 PM   #79
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Baffles me how people who obviously have no understanding or live and passion for exotic dog breeds and has actually researched dog attack statistics internationally can comment on this subject at all.Read my last posts pn this topic and you will understand how wrong you are about the Dogo Argentino.
Dachshunds and fox terrier atack more people so lets ban them.....fool
Righto you like big attack looking hounds, good for you, and like most pains in the arse you will try and quote some vague study done some where other than Australia to prove a point

Given a choice I will take my chances with a sausage dog over say a Doberman........call me a pussy

I think if your dog bites a person that dog should be shot on sight, then the owner of the dog can get 10 years, I doubt we would have another dog attack
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Old 27th November 2016, 11:20 AM   #80
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Yes i do have a passion for Mollosoid breeds.Had Neo Madtif for 15 years,and theres no Dogo in Oz so yes have to look at international stats.And yes any dog that attacks should be shot.And yes i am a responsoble ,trained,qualified Canine behaviour pschychologist,so yes i do know my shit.
I would never call any one a pussy no matter what breed any person is passionate about.
Its proven Poodles are the smartest canine on the planet.
As long as a dog is loved,trained and socialised from a young age there should never be any agression problems.
Like i said a dogs behaviour is a reflection of its owners time love and training.
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Old 27th November 2016, 3:12 PM   #81
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Baffles me why any relatively sensible person would consider having one of these around children..............
I appreciate all breeds for what they are ,you cant judge a book by its cover,and without being a pain in your arse like i said i got the statts from countries where Dogo are plentifull,and i did prove my point.
Yes i have a passion for larger breeds and have owned, judged and have been a succesfull breeder and dog exhibitor in dog shows for over 40 years.My wealth of knowledge is highly respected in the Australian canine world.
I have worked with and for the RSPCA and Animal Welfare league training and rehoming dogs on death row smd have worked cliseley with vets and The Australian National Canine Council.
What is your experience with dogs Zzapped?
If you ever require an expert opininion on any breed of dog,there history,temperement and a respected registered breeder to buy a perfect Pedigreed,health tested,temperament tested puppy from,feel free to contact me.
I do look forward to the day when the Dogo is recognised as breed and re introduced to Australia and in 10 years we can look at the Australuan Statts snd make an educated comment on a breed you obviously know very little about.
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Old 27th November 2016, 4:11 PM   #82
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Certain breeds attract certain types of owners. Those types of people often NOT the best type of people to own those dogs.

Can't escape that.

Also - the internet is full of self proclaimed experts touting statistics. Don't be overly surprised if people take most of your points with a grain of salt.

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Old 27th November 2016, 4:16 PM   #83
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Certain breeds attract certain types of owners. Those types of people often the best type of people to own those dogs.
Are they tho?
So folk in ipswich/logan are best suited to staffies?


Looking on ipswich FB pages every second Shaza or Wayno is selling "pure staffies".
Ads get taken down usually as soon as someone asks for the breeder # which i believe is required to be advertised by law now
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Are they tho?

So folk in ipswich/logan are best suited to staffies?





Looking on ipswich FB pages every second Shaza or Wayno is selling "pure staffies".

Ads get taken down usually as soon as someone asks for the breeder # which i believe is required to be advertised by law now


Oh crap. Missed an entire word.

NOT THE BEST PEOPLE TO OWN!! Haha

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Old 27th November 2016, 4:57 PM   #85
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I agree Holdennutta and Not surptrised at all.Some people are very close mimded and one sidedly opinionated with out knowing the facts or learning more about there lop sided comments and criticisms before judgeing.
Yes different strokes for different folks.
If your passionate about something like i am about dogs and Dogo in particular you will allways stand up for what you know and love.
I only saw this forum yesterday and was shocked at many peoples misconceptions and small minded one eyed opinion.Like i said its the owner not the dog that are to blame %99 of the time.
I was just trying to shed a bit of light on the subject as i do know what im on about.
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Old 28th November 2016, 9:41 AM   #86
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Looking on ipswich FB pages every second Shaza or Wayno is selling "pure staffies".
Pure staffies is just code for Pit Bulls so mouth breathers can get around BSL restrictions.
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A lot of Care2 readers already know that some bigger dogs, like Pit Bulls, are misunderstood and unfairly labeled as aggressive breeds. So what are the most aggressive dog breeds? I came across a study published in the journal Applied Animal Behavior Science a few years ago, and the answer surprised me.
It's pretty commonly known that it's rarely the breed, and more the type of people the breed attracts (sadly).

Druggos and Bogans want a big muscular, solid and aggressive looking dogs to counteract their small dicks... sadly that often means the dog will be mistreated, non socialised, and non obedience trained.

So you have a big muscular powerful dog that can do damage if it bites, being mistreated... that's the recipie for disaster right there when a kid walks past and wants to pat "doggie" through a fence.

But you can't easily restrict dog owners, so the breeds are restricted based on how much damage they can do. A Dacshund might be the most aggressive breed, but it's bite will do far less damage than if a bull terrier breed or mastiff gets hold of your arm.

I used to own a Rottie (which is a breed that has had a bad rep before).... beautiful dog and such a sook. Now I've got a Labrador... and honestly between the two of them, both had the same temperament and "sweetness" about them.

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Its proven Poodles are the smartest canine on the planet.
Every single poodle I've seen or met, has made me question this. Including one that used to try and bite any male person it saw. On the flipside I know someone with a Doberman bitch. Walk up to the side gate, stick your arm through to pat it... and you'll have it ripped off. But have the owner there alongside it and it'll take all the tummyrubs in the world and lick your hand.
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We had a blue heeler that we got from a rural farm in Nyngan NSW, pure bred.

He was the most aggressive guard dog i've seen, Bitten a couple of our relo's that tried to enter when we werent home, even bit a relo's hand that tried to open the gate even though we were at the back of the yard (opened the front gate).

But would not be aggressive if we were around, would want pats from strangers as long as we were near his side, but enter the yard, Good luck, he would mangle your leg/arm (was very aggressive), sent a couple of people to the hospital (it was their fault). He was very cunning, if you'd be walking on the street past the front yard, he would not bark until you'd stop in front, and if you'd stand their long enough, he'd take a seat, watch you but at the same time be growling ever so slightly, as soon as you touch or approach/put hand through the fence, he'd snap at you/try to rip off ya arm.

Any dog can be trained to be aggressive in the right situation, i've even met little aggressive watch dog teacup chihuahuas.

But purchasing a dog that has natural aggressive tendancy to be a around a family is not a good idea, even if your a good/pro trainer, a aggressive breed dog would always see a child as a threat in the family hierarchy. Thats why you always see cases of aggressive dogs biting kids on the face (in the dogs minds i bet they perceive kids as another pet) dogs will notice parents giving their kids more attention etc and might percieve those actions as a threat.
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I have a 2 year old rescue blue Staffy named Alfie. He is big and bulky for a staffy (24kg), but he has the gentlest soul around.
When my 3 nephews come and visit, it is the most caring, cautious interaction you can imagine. He will lie on the couch with them, lick their legs and cuddle up to them. Even when they are playing with his favourite type of toy, he never jumps to get a closer look.
I think he regards them as the little people that walk around scattering treats everywhere.

I just really hate it when people tar a certain breed with the same brush. I don't even go to dog parks anymore because the small dog groupies will automatically pick up their little barker's and give me scornful looks when Alfie waddles along, tail wagging, to say hello.
We walked down a local street the other day and a little barky thing ran out and fair bit him on the arse. He spun around and backed away, between my legs, looking at me as if to say 'wtf was that?!?" With the little evil fucker still running around, barking and nipping at my (leashed) dog...his owner came out and looked absolutely livid... 'How dare you walk your fighting bull terrier past my house with the open gates' and picked the barking rat up to protect it from the evil staffy.

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I have a 2 year old rescue blue Staffy named Alfie. He is big and bulky for a staffy (24kg), but he has the gentlest soul around.
When my 3 nephews come and visit, it is the most caring, cautious interaction you can imagine. He will lie on the couch with them, lick their legs and cuddle up to them. Even when they are playing with his favourite type of toy, he never jumps to get a closer look.
I think he regards them as the little people that walk around scattering treats everywhere.

I just really hate it when people tar a certain breed with the same brush. I don't even go to dog parks anymore because the small dog groupies will automatically pick up their little barker's and give me scornful looks when Alfie waddles along, tail wagging, to say hello.
We walked down a local street the other day and a little barky thing ran out and fair bit him on the arse. He spun around and backed away, between my legs, looking at me as if to say 'wtf was that?!?" With the little evil fucker still running around, barking and nipping at my (leashed) dog...his owner came out and looked absolutely livid... 'How dare you walk your fighting bull terrier past my house with the open gates' and picked the barking rat up to protect it from the evil staffy.

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Alfies gorgeous ...

That's the same with our girl to a degree... I've found the smaller dogs seem to be bigger pests/yappers than the larger dogs.

Shes fine with most other dogs, but sometimes a dog gets too close in her personal space and she gives then a snarl/growl.

Being a 35kg Lab with a deep stocky chest and a blocky Newfoundland like head (she's out little bear), some people can be a bit weary of her.

Staffies are great dogs... WITH a good owner
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