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Old 7th December 2016, 12:16 PM   #1
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Default Sonic's "Museum" - a PC from each generation. Chapter 1: The IBM 5150

Yo OCAU!

So this is gonna happen over the Christmas break but I need to start prepping early

I have, in my collection, more or less one PC from each generation of hardware.

But they're all a bit all over the place, and I often upgraded the hardware in them with more modern bits and pieces which don't suit the original era.

Of course, I can google/wikipedia for launch dates, but launch dates aren't really when we were all putting these parts into systems.

I want these rigs to be a reasonable reflection of what was "common" at the time; not only in terms of hardware but also the OS and software/games they were running too.

So, let me know what parts you had in yours, what OS you were running, what was typical, etc. Especially for the older stuff as I acquired it all a good few years after it was mainstream and it was often already upgraded.

As we go, I will be posting up a separate WTB thread for things I'm missing, and likewise a FS/giveaway thread for stuff I don't need - one of the main reasons I want to do this is because I have boxes upon boxes of stuff that I've been saving up in case any of these systems don't work / need parts. Once they're all done, all that has to go (2 kids, no space etc)

Without further ado, let's start right back at the start!
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Old 7th December 2016, 12:16 PM   #2
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Some Kind Of XT Clone

"My" first PC. We had the family PC (the 386 below) as well, but I wasn't allowed to pull that apart or mess around with it at all. This one was mine all mine (maniacal laugh)

Interesting note: This boots from off at mains, into DOS, into me playing Paganitzu faster than my X99 rig. Mmmmm the code is so close to the hardware you can taste it!

Spent countless hours on here playing CGA/EGA DOS games and writing stupid batch files and QBASIC programs. None of which ever did anything useful.

CPU: Intel 8088?
Board: ?
RAM: 640k
HDD: 20mb
FDD: 5.25" 360k DD
OS: DOS 3? with XTree Gold
GPU: CGA Card / EGA Card (can't remember)
Monitor: 14" CGA/EGA
Keyboard: Mechanical, details to follow.

Purchase Date: Mid '90s
Purchased From: My primary school
Original Purchase Price: Either $20 or $50. A "large" note (come on, I was like 7 years old). Mum paid and I paid her back with all the change in my money tin.

Suggestions Needed:
- did anyone have EGA cards in these? or would they mostly have been mono/CGA?
- what version of DOS was common in this era?
- if you happened to be alive and of an appropriate age when this stuff was first introduced, what games were you playing?
- what kind of bus connection do you call this, for HDDs:


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Old 7th December 2016, 12:17 PM   #3
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IBM PC Model 5150

Right. So I had one of these, or it might've been the XT Model 5160, also purchased from my primary school.

...but I gave it to a mate back in the mid '90s. Regrets in my life? Not many. Giving one of these away? Right up there

Anyway over Christmas I managed to get one off eBay thanks to a heads up from another OCAU member - mad props to JidaiGeki

~$300 purchase price + ~$100 for courier later

Anyway, it arrived, and it's awesome - details to follow.

CPU: Intel 8088
Board: IBM 5150
RAM: 256k (+384k?)
HDD: 20mb NEC D5126 (lol NEC still have this on their website)
FDD: 5.25" 360k DD?
OS: "The IBM Personal Computer DOS" Version 2.10
GPU: some kind of monochrome graphics adaptor (unknown model)
Monitor: 12" Taxan Monochrome KX-1212A
Keyboard: IBM 5150 Keyboard

Purchase Date (mine): December 2016
Purchased From: eBay
Purchase Price: ~$400 delivered

Now this is where it gets interesting:
Original Purchase Date: ~22 May 1985 (date on quote)
Purchase Price: $6400 (or maybe $7111 lol)
(with a bit of an inflation calculation, it suggests that $1 in 1985 would've been equivalent to roughly $2.80 now, making the purchase price $18~$20k)
Purchased From: Myer Computer and Business Centre, 246 Murray Street, Perth WA, 6000

Suggestions / Advice Needed:
- any idea what the multi-function 384k board is about?
- there doesn't seem to be any kind of BIOS prompt / RAM count or anything like that prior to running autoexec.bat. I was pretty sure, on my old one, that it came up and said "256KB OK" or some such on boot. This one just sits with a flashing cursor for around 4-5 minutes, then runs ECHO OFF and proceeds with autoexec.bat... could this be because the monitor / GPU not displaying that RAM count, or do I need to change MODE or something??

This is what I was looking for in my WTB thread, my "ideal" unit:



There was very little detail in the eBay description. A few pics showing piles of disks and various manuals, not sorted or listed in the description. This is what I got:



The IBM 5150
Original keyboard (couple of keys are iffy )
12" Taxan Monitor (was originally planning to track down a matching IBM monitor but since this is the one that was originally purchased with it, it seems fitting that I keep it)
The original, boxed operating manual, DOS manual and BASIC manual, all pretty much untouched in ~30 years
The operating manuals for Lotus 123, MS Multiplan, MicroPro Wordstar, and a bunch of other software
All the original 5.25" disks for the aforementioned software
Backup copies of all the original software in case the original disks were lost / damaged
The original purchase documentation from Myer, including the receipt, a personalized letter to the purchaser, training they offer, all in the original leaflet holders

oh and

The original file system seems to be almost untouched from back then too. All the programs are in subfolders on C:, there is a nice neat menu system, and all the work files are kept in the folders with their respective programs. The average PC user in 2017 would struggle to keep a file structure this neat.

My gut feeling from the backup copies of the program and the meticulous file structure is that the original owner had a reasonable grasp of PC mechanics - although I guess you had to be in those days, unlike now where PCs are basically disposable toys for a lot of consumers

I could go on, but you get the idea. Pretty amazing imo, and extremely lucky. My original one never had any of this stuff
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IBM PS/2

This was an interesting one. By now I had a few PCs and a box or two of assorted parts and peripherals - in those days, there was an abundance of PC gear out during the hard rubbish season

However, I had no keyboards that used a PS/2 connection - literally everything used 5-pin. I had basically no idea what I was on about so I carried the entire PC around to a bunch of local PC shops until somebody sold me an AT to PS/2 adaptor for $10 (Renaissance Computers in Essendon, cnr of Lincoln Rd and Buckley St, anyone remember it?)

I was pretty cut about paying as much for the adaptor as I had for the PC, especially when I could then get it to boot (before it was just stuck on KB ERROR) and I found out it was pretty "rubbish" specs - I assumed because it had VGA that it must've at least had Windows on it

CPU: ?
Board: ?
RAM: ?
HDD: ?
FDD: 3.5" 720k?
OS: ?
GPU: On-board VGA
Monitor: had a 12" IBM 8513. Gave this away also Hoping to score this one on here!
Keyboard: IBM Model M
Case/PSU: PS/2

Purchase Date: Mid-90's.
Purchased From: A local garage sale
Original Purchase Price: $10

Suggestions Needed:
- what OS did these ship with?
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The Family 386

First computer I ever used / we ever owned. "Grafika"? by DTK Computers? Dad brought it home with him one day, super exciting. Although I didn't really know what to do with it at first - it booted straight into Windows 3.1 and only had the pre-loaded applications on it, along with "Lotus Smart Suite". Couldn't make sense of the card games or Minesweeper or anything (I was 5) - messed around making scribbles in Paintbrush and pictures of trucks in "Lotus Freelance Graphics". About a week later my older cousins came to visit, bringing with them a treasure trove of 3.5" floppy disks, loaded with wondrous games that you had to use this magic "DOS" thing to play. Including some games that they'd never even played before because their PC back home couldn't run them.

Not sure if I spent more hours gaming on this than hours I spent at school

Think Commander Keen, Hocus Pocus, every other Apogee title, all kinds of shareware titles you could get from book shops / The Reject Shop etc at the time.

CPU: AMD 386 40?
Board: ?
RAM: 4mb iirc
HDD: 120mb
FDD: 3.5" 1.44mb, 5.25" 1.2mb HD
OS: Windows 3.1 / DOS 6.22?
GPU: 256k VGA
Monitor: 14" VGA
Keyboard: DTK-branded mechanical, details to follow
Case/PSU: Generic beige AT box with AT PSU

Purchase Date: Must've been 1993, maybe 1994.
Purchased From: Dunno, will ask the old man
Original Purchase Price: Again will ask the old man - I imagine it was quite expensive.

Suggestions Needed:
- the CMOS battery is dead, and I feel like an idiot, but for the life of me I can't actually find the battery on the motherboard
- most of the 486 rigs I worked on had the 4-pin 2-wire connection off to the battery that would be velcro'd randomly inside the case, but this came before that.
- most of the other 386 boards I've seen had a funny kind of "wavy" cylindrical battery near the keyboard connector, usually well cooked by now. Not on this board. Pics to follow.
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