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Old 15th March 2017, 7:09 PM   #196
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The problem is because you don't have relevant industry experience, either way you will be down 10-15k. Just change jobs be the junior for a year or 2, and gain the experience, job hop and gain more experience.
If he's actually keen and has enthusiasm - he'll be moved up in < 6 months.

I agree. If you're doing certs on shit you have nothing to ground (or even the thing beneath that) on, no-one is going to care about your paperweight.

If you want certs - and have money.

Get 70-410, 70-411 and 70-412 coursework (~$70/book).
Do 70-410 Exam ($150USD/exam). If you were good at it, do the rest.
If you weren't, get some CBTNuggets or Pluralsight courses to go with.

Bang. Covered Windows Server. You have relevant experience to back it up with, working your shithole environment on ancient shit - the tasks are pretty much the same, but now you know the new Black and have the coursework to fill the holes. You're also an MCSA: Windows Server 2012

Now.

Round this out with thing that people care about in 2017.

70-346 and 70-347 - Office 365

Boom. You're a MCSA: Office 365 AND a double MCSA - and you can either finish the bullshit at your current shitshow or you can tell people you're up with the times.

Now finish him with

70-341 - Exchange Server.

Boom.

MCSE: Productivity.

You should be able to achieve all of this inside of a budget of about $3k self-taught. Yes, including Exams. And you should be able to do a course per week if you're doing it full time.

Boom thats 6 weeks.

Boom you can actually know your shit - and have relevant job experience that you can connect this training with so people actually believe your resume of lies.

But you won't do this. Because you'll make excuses. And in 6 months you'll be whining about how you have no job - or that you have the same job, and you still have an Exchange 2007 server that its broken.
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Old 15th March 2017, 7:45 PM   #197
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CBB When we last spoke you had to tear down your test environment (that you managed to put together in next to no time, and even said "It's no where near as hard as I thought") due to parts being required for the business - you now have some $$, so spend this on a PC you can use as a personal test environment, and set it up again. You'll quickly come to the same realisation that you did last time - that the only thing stopping you is the fear of the unknown. It's time to make the unknown your bitch!

Don't sit down and re-read the thread and map out where to go next - jump on actually doing something so you can't give yourself any reasons not to. Head out to a computer shop during lunch tomorrow and buy yourself a PC/the parts for a PC to make a test rig - nothing special needed, just grab an i7/decent chunk of ram/large SSD etc and you'll have a decent setup to run a few VMs (remember you were doing it with a bitsa machine before...). Once you've got this, do what we were discussing before - chuck server 2012 on one, set up AD, chuck exchange on another and set that up, read the MS books on certification and do all of the tasks they list. If you do this and spend a couple of hours a night working on it, you'll have progressed and start getting more confidence, and be doing your certificates in no time.

Your last post you said you want to get your first MCSA by the end of March - this is only going to happen if you start DOING it (not planning it) tomorrow! Don't over think it mate!
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Get out of I.T. dude. If you were going to really make it happen you would have by now.

I didn't. I fucked around doing small business I.T. and tech support and sales to mums and dads, cafes, doctors surgeries, podiatrists, etc. Blurgh.

I turned up for jobs and then realised I was out of my depth and bailed, and that makes me sad. I didn't skill up enough. YOU haven't skilled up enough. Either you skill up and commit, or you get the hell outta there (job, industry, the lot). Take some time off! It will do you wonders.

I did and now I climb trees for a living. And actually enjoy the spare time i get to faff about with tech

Edit: and whilst we are at it, I don't think anyone here would question that you have a good heart, want to do well, are good to your fellow man. Back when you were Mitch I still remember someone talking about what a legend you were for spending a stack of time at a LAN helping them with their PC that was on the fritz. You were really good to someone then. Now be good to yourself. Re-think it all. Take the time. Don't do certs in shit you could give two fucks about. Server rooms and business computer users (demanders). Argh! There's a whole world out there.

You only live once.

Work outdoors and piss wherever the fuck you want!

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How many jobs have you applied for in the last 12 months? If it is less than 50, keep applying.

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But to be blunt, if you were inclined to have done it, you would have done it by now. my guess is you will make up every excuse under the sun and not do a single thing in another years time, possible be made redundant or fired from your current position.
This.

Most people in that kind of career will have already done everything after 10 years to be an expert in their field. Maybe if you are still not progressing it is time for a complete career change entirely. Join the fire brigade, do something new!
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This.

Most people in that kind of career will have already done everything after 10 years to be an expert in their field. Maybe if you are still not progressing it is time for a complete career change entirely.
but he is an expert in his field.
it's just that his field is very narrowly focused to the specific environment he is currently in.
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Interview again today for a senior infrastructure engineer.

Feels good.

CBB - I app'd for this job at about page 8. I'll have an offer next week.

What is your excuse...
Nice work! I just resigned from my current role. Back to Sydney next week to start as an SCCM Specialist What did I do? Not much they found me
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There is plenty of valuable content, its just wasted on CBB.
True, plenty of great suggestions for anyone in a similar position
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Old 19th March 2017, 6:15 PM   #204
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As mentioned in a previous post. If I don't reply that doesn't mean I'm not taking things in. Plus .... less posting = less arguements and snide remarks, which only serve to drag me down.

Last week was a write off Mon-Fri sans Weds where I wasn't at work (learning a new CRM and ingressing 10,000 entries which are a complete and utter MESS), and this week going to be equally as mad, with future business plans, and potentially skilling up for O365 with a solid plan of attack there.

Pretty harsh to assume I've been doing nothing this weekend gone. If you look at my post count, I've barely been online.

POST COUNT
Fri = 1 Post (1 @ midday)
Sat = 4 Posts (3 @ 3:19pm - 3:21pm / 1 @ 4:49pm)
Sun (today) = 0 (until now)

Friday night I didn't get home till late, watched some tv and spent time with the wife, since she had the night off.

Today slept in till 10am, vacuumed the house, packed/unpacked dishwasher, cleaned up after dog, did the lawns/edges, did some gardening, did the washing and put it out, did the weeks shopping. Came back at had lunch, made my lunches for the week, had a shave and shower.
and now it's 6PM and the day's pretty much gone.

Yesterday amongst a few other errands, I sat down, went through this thread and made notes.

Spent about 2-3 hours constructing a 9 page document regarding progression steps required for MSCE Solutions Expert Productivity (this is the new course Microsoft have for IT Professionals, which phases out certification like MSCE Messaging).

Bloody confusing at first to figure out exams, etc. Also made notes on additional and complimentary certifications. Didn't realise how strict their testing methodologies are (you can't use reference materials whilst completing the exam, yadda yadda). I honestly thought you'd just pay the money, and be able to work through the exam whilst using reference material.

So a bit of thinking required there.

With Microsofts changes to exams, if I want certs I'll need to go:
  • MTA Infrastructure; then
  • MSCA Office 365 or MSCA Windows Server 2012; then
  • MSCE Solutions Expert Productivity.

So the plan is (now that I have all the exam numbers required to sit MSCE, as well as additional exams (some mentioned in this thread are EOL or EOL end of this month)) to now look up and get MS Reference materials for as many of those exams as possible, and work through the course material/exam prep (like I am doing the exams) until I completely understand the exam/subject. Rinse and repeat onto the next.

I've ordered some parts to piece together a testbed, so can use that alongside my study. I have some parts I can use at work for a "at work" test bed, but just need drives for it.

I'm unsure I'll sit the exams. I've never done well in classroom/sit down exams, and often learn and absorb stuff by doing exams with course / reference material alongside me.

WORK WISE
There's most likely an O365 migration coming up, so that will give me not only confidence, but hands on experience that will assist with the above plan.

The idea is to get everything working in a way that's it's largely self sufficient and requires little to no future care. That way when situations change, I can leave proud that the setup is working the best with what I've got.

In the periods of downtime, I'll be able to spend that upskilling/retraining, and getting a solid confidence in products I will likely need to support in future endeavours.

In addition though I'm going to put aside some "me time", to prevent burnout. Regarding the mental demons, already started inroads regarding them as well, suffice to say heat is off for a month or two.
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I would argue Cbb has drive, he's gotten where his is in this process by pushing forward. Just sayin'....

He is asking the question too, sometime the jump or the way forward isn't as easy as for others.
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I'm unsure I'll sit the exams. I've never done well in classroom/sit down exams, and often learn and absorb stuff by doing exams with course / reference material alongside me.
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Then don't bother.
Just find a new profession.
Seriously.
You haven't got the time or drive.

Just become a gardener.
Anyone can be a hypocrite.

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I have zero certs.
I have 10+ years Windows Server, Exchange and a bunch of other shit experience.
I have great references.
My current role wants me to certify (predominantly for their benefit for meeting partner competency). I couldn't care less, but the course work is interesting.
Enough said there.

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I literally pasted what to do, several pages ago...

You are nothing but excuses. Either come back with results or quit.

Bullshit about test bed and whatever - our Classroom lab pc's are i5's with 16GB of ram and a 7200rpm drive.
That was Weds. This is the weekend. Hardly "weeks have passed" since you posted that.. and my document takes into account each exam/training number, details about each exam, so that I can now know exactly what course material to look for, nail down those exams/courses, and follow through every single course.

I HAD a test environment at work a while ago, but had to part it out to fix up a computer. Since I have spare computers now I can rebuild that up.

At home I don't have enough spare parts to build a PC up (yet).

I don't think anyone spends every waking hour in front of a computer, or working, or upskilling. If they do it's burnout101.
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Old 19th March 2017, 8:01 PM   #207
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Anyone can be a hypocrite.

Enough said there.
Not really.

My reasons for not certifying is largely - its never held me back and I have run rings around literally every single certified person who has been in my path - whereas the people who learnt it by doing it, have been the ones who impressed me throughout my career. But - this thread is about you.

This thread comes with the fact we've watched you struggle with some pretty easy topics in this game over the course of years.
This thread comes with the fact you've vomited this "woe is me, I've stagnated in my career" annually - and year on year, the same people have told you what to do about it (whilst achieving bigger and better things).
This thread comes with the fact that you have never come and talked about the results you've achieved after one of these annual breakdowns.

You are absolutely *all* talk and no substance.

Your certs don't matter. Your job doesn't matter. Your life circumstances don't matter.

You spend all this time talking about what you will never do - rather than actually doing it - or even trying.

If you've been depressed for over half a decade at this point - this is *still* ultimately on you. The only person who is going to dig you out of this hole, is you.

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I don't think anyone spends every waking hour in front of a computer, or working, or upskilling. If they do it's burnout101.
Again.

This is the game.

If you want to earn the big bucks. If you want to be satisfied. If you don't want to be left behind. You have to put in the effort.

No-one gives a shit about your plan - simply because you've never executed one of any real substance.


Are you seriously going to sit here and try and gather fake internet points in your favour, that mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with regards to getting you out of the hole you're in - or are you just going to shut up, put your goddamned money where you mouth is and achieve something.

Because that is the only way you're ever going to get respect around here.

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I'm not known for my rationality or patience, but my esteemed acquaintance here has hit the nail on the head, even if in somewhat harsh of a tone (again, hand on heart, I know I've had my fair share of outburst on here).

In the wise words of Yoda: "Do or do not do. There is no try".

While it's commendable that anyone vocalises their plans to better their life, reality is a harsh mistress. Employers certainly don't care about all the times you started something. They care only what you finish. Certifications, diplomas, degrees, and real world experience in jobs all signify the same thing: time spent doing difficult things from start to finish. Emphasis on finish.

I'm a die-hard meritocrat. When I'm hiring people, I need to see what they've achieved. Their resume needs to spell out to me that they're people I can hand tasks to and know that they'll get done. I don't have time to babysit folks through a process - I have a job to do to. I need to trust my co-workers can do the tasks they're employed to do with minimal input from me (or anyone else).

You can prove to your potential employer that you're capable of these things in different ways. Certifications aren't the be-all and end all of employability, but nor is anything else. If you've got the experience, great. If you don't, show me something that says to me "I did a difficult thing for a while, and completed it". Cert, diploma, degree, I don't care. Anything that tells me you can finish what you start.

Your best laid plans are meaningless to me as an employer. Your potential isn't what interests me, but your proven successes.
To throw around some cute sayings once again: "with $3.50 and potential, I can buy a cup of coffee".

Go forth and succeed.
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Okay so let me get this straight:
  • If I stay silent (because I'm actually doing things), everyone comes back with "waste of time", "full of shit", "doing nothing".
  • If I reply stating that I'm actually making some (albeit small) prelim steps to change, everyone comes back with "full of shit", "doing nothing", etc etc.
If people revisit the first post I made, they'll see that this thread was always about improving my skills because they've become stale, and asking how others had done that.

It was about how to change to really shape a "career in IT", rather than just "having a job in IT".

If I had no intention of changing or even acting on any advice in here I'd simply have replied "did fuck all this weekend, slept the entire time, and couldn't be bothered even looking back over this thread".

The fact I've spent time formulating a document which steps me through exactly what I need to do, and what course material I need to buy in order to pass those exams, surely has to count for a step in the right direction right?

Ergo, next step, getting the course material, and getting to work studying/learning!

Or did people expect me to come back here (to avoid the above mentioned posts), and say "all good done my MSCE in everything microsoft in the past 3 days"??

I even detailed in this thread there were other things I had to get out of the way first. They are now.

But honestly, I'd probably still get slammed if I stayed quiet and in a months time updated with every course material I'd gone through and understood.
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