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Old 20th December 2016, 10:04 AM   #2101
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And how the communities react to "noob" questions is worlds apart.
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Yeah the second one is much better, it'll work whether you have a GUI installed or not.
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So you show an article about a GUI written specifically for GUI people vs a site that provides a webpage fore all man pages! Firstly compare apple with apples.
I know it's not apples for apples, For many, the Raspberry Pi will be their first exposure to Linux, The Pi documentation is bright and user friendly, Man Pages are text heavy and have a Massive level of assumed knowledge.
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Old 20th December 2016, 10:11 AM   #2102
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I know it's not apples for apples, For many, the Raspberry Pi will be their first exposure to Linux, The Pi documentation is bright and user friendly, Man Pages are text heavy and have a Massive level of assumed knowledge.
Agreed. But assumptions that Windows or OSX are easier are in correct. If you don't believe me, teach a pensioner who has never used a computer how to use Windows.
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Old 20th December 2016, 10:15 AM   #2103
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Agreed. But assumptions that Windows or OSX are easier are in correct. If you don't believe me, teach a pensioner who has never used a computer how to use Windows.
They are all learned behaviours... Its just the communites, and materials for learning are friendlier for Windows and Mac.

On the Pi Front. My Neopixels should *Hopefully* arrive before Xmas, and I can have some sort of Dazzling lightshow consisting of a meagre amount of LED's for the family on Xmas Eve.
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Old 20th December 2016, 10:19 AM   #2104
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On the Pi Front. My Neopixels should *Hopefully* arrive before Xmas, and I can have some sort of Dazzling lightshow consisting of a meagre amount of LED's for the family on Xmas Eve.
I wish you hadn't posted that, now my tired worn out CC is being bashed again.
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Old 20th December 2016, 11:34 AM   #2105
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I wish you hadn't posted that, now my tired worn out CC is being bashed again.
It's re-kindled my fondness for electronics and control software... But all my 'boxes of assorted crap' have been thrown out over the years... so I continually find myself lacking basic stuff like breadboards and hookup wire... I'm slowly building them up again .
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Old 20th December 2016, 1:05 PM   #2106
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The software may be 95% Debian Linux, but the documentation difference between

https://www.raspberrypi.org/learning...re-guide/wifi/

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https://linux.die.net/man/8/wpa_supplicant

And how the communities react to "noob" questions is worlds apart.
RPi guide: written 2016

wpasupplicant man page: written 2003.

Not only are they designed for entirely different audiences (both of which are valid - experienced sysadmins matter just as much as first time Linux users), they're also over a decade apart (which may as well be 100 years of advancement in any other industry).

Again, it's about building blocks - building on top of the achievements of your founders, as well as providing more than one option to solve any given problem. It's not about "us versus them", or "solution A is better than solution B". There would be no Raspberry Pi without the open source community, and without Debian, and that's what I'm acknowledging. The Linux kernel is grossly complex, but without it, you wouldn't have a pretty Raspberry Pi desktop to clock about on. They all work hand in hand to give people options and choices.

Just like the RPi itself. Some people use it for very advanced projects with embedded control systems and complex code. Some people use it to learn Scratch as a "my first programming machine". Some use it for work, some for entertainment. All are valid and welcome.

And I, for one, still read man pages, even on my Raspberry Pi.
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Old 20th December 2016, 8:35 PM   #2107
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Finally arrived from China! No AU plug though, which is a bit annoying. It's the Orange Pi PC.

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Old 20th December 2016, 8:45 PM   #2108
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Finally arrived from China! No AU plug though, which is a bit annoying. It's the Orange Pi PC.

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just bend the prongs

how does the orange compare to a pi3?
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just bend the prongs

how does the orange compare to a pi3?

dont do that. buy a real au psu or a plug adapter
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Old 21st December 2016, 3:41 AM   #2110
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Yea I had an adapter lying around.

Briefly tried the Orange Pi PC with the latest nightly build of Lakka. It worked, but not quite as smooth as on the Rasbperry.

Biggest issue I had was that config.txt was nowhere to be found on the Orange Pi. I need to edit this to get full RGB 0 - 255 colour space. On the Raspberry it was right on the first partition, easy to edit on the PC, but I also used SSH to see what that does.

The Orange Pi also has some screen tearing in the menu, despite v-sync enabled, and playing a SNES game, it wasn't as smooth as the Raspberry.

I read on a few occasions that the Mali GPU on the Orange isn't as well supported.

I guess tomorrow I will try out Android and Armbian.
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Old 21st December 2016, 2:20 PM   #2111
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I made my own thread but it seems a Pi might be a solution (despite being overkill)

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...1#post17408186

Bascically Im looking for something with the following specs

Interface a thermocouple
Control a server motor (to control a flow control valve on a bbq)
Simple 2 line LCD
A few digital inputs for buttons
An ADC for a dial
A case for it all.

Ultimately I'm looking to avoid assembly as much as possible due to time restraints. I'd design my own board up if I had the time.

So yeah, are there any good kits that meet the above requirements? I'm ok buying a generic case and putting it all together but I want to avoid soldering or making my own boards etc.

I could deal with it all being loose without a case initially while I play with it and just drill out a generic case at a later date.
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Old 21st December 2016, 10:33 PM   #2112
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https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pixel-pc-mac/

Debian + PIXEL
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Old 16th January 2017, 9:44 PM   #2113
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Woo Finally - https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/com...dule-3-launch/

(I'm probably the only one on here who cares about these)
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Old 16th January 2017, 11:45 PM   #2114
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that looks good. the cmio3 board is interesting in its own right.
i wonder how .au pricing will shape up ?
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that looks good. the cmio3 board is interesting in its own right.
i wonder how .au pricing will shape up ?
CM3's are $40 and dev kits are $280

I just ordered half of the element14's stock in CM3's
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