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Old 20th March 2017, 8:09 PM   #256
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Has anyone done any of the Comptia CertMaster courses?


They are designed to get a benchmark of "where you are at", and assist in areas that need reskilling prior to taking (or re-sitting) a Comptia Test?

$139 per topic (and there are about 6 topics they have), and I'm thinking it may good a good way for me to establish a baseline to work from.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm letting everyone down and not taking in things.. but when I'm as rusty as I am, I feel I need to know a baseline before I can truly start building my skills. Establish what I know from what I need to learn (if that makes sense).

I've also come across Cybrary, which (I haven't signed up for yet), but looks like it could be handy.



As a side note, I didn't realise you could use AWS/Azure for virtual servers.. I thought they were only used for remote applications. Will have to check them out.

I think much of this is a lack of confidence thing. I've got to get over that hurdle and I'm sure once I apply myself and start studying it'll spark that same love that got me into IT many years ago.
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Old 20th March 2017, 8:54 PM   #257
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Posted this lots, do the courses sit the exams done and dusted on Cloud and Automation, wasting your time anything that isn't those 2 subjects will see you unemployed soon.

if you can't script stuff and have to use a GUI to get things done start learning project management or accounting.
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Old 20th March 2017, 10:04 PM   #258
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Originally Posted by cbb1935 View Post
Has anyone done any of the Comptia CertMaster courses?
I'll be honest and say I don't know about the other courses (though it wouldn't surprise me to find them in the same boat) but the A+ is a rubbish certificate. It is almost worthless as far as a certificate goes - if I had 2 otherwise identical applicants and one had an A+ then I'd consider them identical still, there is no value in it. I know many other IT people agree with me on this too.

All the CertMaster courses are is a distraction - go and get a MS book covering the area you wish to study (O365 would be good if you're flirting with that again) and read it, do the exercises in it and the test questions at the end of every chapter and you'll know where you are. Focus on the core - you're a MS guy, you're going to be looking at MS jobs, so do MS certs. Don't bog yourself down considering a career change to linux/security/networking or whatever, focus on what you have a base in and go with that. If you feel that you want to change later then do so, but don't do it now.
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Old 20th March 2017, 10:09 PM   #259
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I'm going to propose something that may sound crazy at first but I honestly feel it's the best thing for you.

Stop trying to find a quick fix or a quick easy cert etc. This industry is plagued by people trying to learn as they go, which doesn't sound too bad, but they use that mentality as a way to skip the basics.

Forget all the rubbish certs, labs etc and star at the beginning. Actually learn the fundamentals of computers and go read a book called operating system concepts (8th edition).

Forget your plans, documents everything for now. Just go read and understand that book.
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Old 20th March 2017, 11:42 PM   #260
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Oh lawdy, there is no establishing baselines.

O365 lab requires this:
-GPO (assuming you want to push clients out)
-How to fuckin google

Literally doing half the 365 lab would finish dealing with your scenario and set you up for 80% of the exam

If you cant AD and DNS after 20years in the industry....just self ban from this sub forum, maybe try the newbie lounge.

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Old 21st March 2017, 12:01 AM   #261
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Okay, everyone having a shot.. STOP... just STOP. (scips this was composed before your post)

Cast your mind back to when you first started in IT. How did you start? You weren't magically gifted from the womb with the ability to user wireshark or setup Server 2012.... nope... you learned it.

Now you learned one of two ways:
1. Fluffing about and picking things up as you went along, with no actual "by the book" training. That's how I've learned everything to date in my career. Many will consider that "faking it".
2. You did the course material and exams, and did it alongside hands on learning, so you learned "as Microsoft recommend". The way "professionals" learn IT.

I'm first to admit that I haven't kept up to date with my skills, and that only falls on one person: ME.

However I'd rather look to the future and enter an interview KNOWING I can back myself in any technology on the job description, than fumbling my way through and being exposed.

My issue is I've got a vast array of skills but they are spread over a wide area (HTML/Visual Dataflex/Minor SQL/Workstation OS's/some networking/domain names and dns records/some server (mainly maintenance)/some linux/some exchange, etc etc). Unlike many I don't have a focussed set of skills and a specialisation, but rather pieces of knowledge picked up over the years.

Being held back in the past from latest technology and modern projects, has kinda dented my confidence and ability to pick that up along the way.

But my day to day work varies so much, it's often not even in the realm of what you'd expect in IT. At the moment I'm involved in data migration from an old CRM, to a new CRM program, and re-validating / deduping most of the information to ensure the import goes ahead fine (as its a mess). That's over 10,000 fields. As well as that, doing some minor coding changes for websites.

Thus my 9-5 day is not always break/fix this, or maintain server that.

So.... getting back to my original point. We all had to learn somewhere. In my case I need to see where I'm at, and what I need to focus more on. Cloudwise I haven't really had much exposure, nor any need to look into that side of things. Hence my Azure/AWS comments.

But casting your mind back to when you first got into IT as a job and started learning.. did people take shots at you for wanting to expand your knowledge?

I'm thinking NO.

So how about instead of writing me off as the posterchild and whipping boy for BC&E, you actually help someone try and better themselves.

We've all been stuck in the mud spinning the tyres before now... but sooner or later you get a push and continue on your travels. That's what I'm trying to do at this stage of my career.

As a final note, the "air of elitism" by some users in this subforum is noticed not just by myself but others. I know of a few users who no longer ask questions in this subforum because they don't wish to be attacked and humiliated. When the new forum gets updated here I'm killing off this username and asking to start from scratch. I'm honestly sick of it too, and in many ways it's actually making me hate not just this subforum, but the entire site.

I still enjoy IT and love the industry, but the attitude of some of the posters in this thread, really makes one despise the industry.

I'd have thought it's all about helping out each other, not egos at 20 paces.

I am trying.. I'm fucking trying. But sometimes it's overwhelming and hard to know where to start. That's what I'm trying to formulate in my head. Learning difficulties aside, I pick things up quickly and get head down arse up into new challenges, but there's so many things to look into and look up, I'm struggling to find a good starting point (thus my thought about baselines).

Anyway ... Thanks to everyone in this thread that has given me really good advice.

Things to learn. Things to figure out.

May not update this thread again as I find myself getting increasing pissed off / frustrated / depressed at pecertain users wanting to continually take a shot and bring me down. Has happened throughout my entire fucking life, and I certainly don't need to from faceless keyboard warriors trying to make themselves feel better by bringing me down.

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Old 21st March 2017, 12:52 AM   #262
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So how about instead of writing me off as the posterchild and whipping boy for BC&E, you actually help someone try and better themselves.
We've been trying to help you for a number of years now.
We've given you advice over and over again in the numerous threads you've created in this forum.

You choose to ignore it.

And yet, every time you ask for more advice, those who you only see as bashing you still try to help you out with useful advice, only for you to once again ignore it.

Either take the advice or don't, that's up to you, but if you're not going to take the advice offered to you then maybe just stop asking for it.
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Old 21st March 2017, 1:12 AM   #263
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Advice is one thing. Abuse is another.

Telling someone they are shit at their job, or may as well just give up, amounts to nothing more than common bullying, and it happens FAR too often in this subforum.

Luke212 cops it hard, and others have as well.

Everyone on this forum should be treated equally.

If someone is asking a question, it's because they need help.

As I posted the other day I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't on here.

Stay quiet like I had for a few days in this thread, and some stupid arse posts a snide remark. Actually explain a situation, and "oh its an excuse".

I doubt there is ANYONE on here, contributing to this thread, that spend every waking hour of the day in front of a computer, or doing things computer related.

People need downtime, else they break.

Yet it seems "that's an excuse", whenever I try and explain that I do actually do other things that fill up my day.

THAT is what pisses me off. It's like people expect that because I've asked this question that I should lock myself away in a room and spend 24/7 studying every facet in the world of IT.

It's the old "do as I say, not as I do" adage.

Am I taking everything in this thread on board... ABSOLUTELY!


Anyway for those that MIGHT be interested.

WWW.MEASUREUP.COM have Practice Labs and Practice Tests for MS and other exams (ITIL/CISCO/LINUX/ETC) for about $120 a practice test, and $149 a practice lab.

WWW.MINDHUB.COM is the official site Microsoft refer to for Practice Tests, and are about the most up to date site I've found regarding new exam/course numbers and practice tests. Cheaper than MeasureUp.

Looking to sign up to mindhub.com, and get the practice tests I would need to achieve all the way to MSCA/MSCE. I figure if I can ace the practice tests, then technically I should have the knowledge to ace the exams (if I chose to do them, albeit I'm not good in exam situtations). If I flunk parts of the test, then I know what I need to brush up on.

Practice Tests + Practice Labs should work well to get my skills back on track.
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Time to just DO now, stop seeking advice, posting walls of text, defending yourself... Or opening yourself up to digs from other members. Just DO, mate.

You keep coming back to similar advice, encouragement, bagging, or all of the above. Amongst the vitriol there's some actual real, good advice in this thread.

For now I'd personally get it closed, move on and come back in 3, 6 or 12 months with your progress/successes. If you come back with your failures and your reasons why not (and questions for advice on things people have advised on previously) you'll just cop it from the usual suspects.

Good luck! And FFS stop posting and checking against other members opinions, this is your life man, get on with it.
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CBB why do you want to continue in a technology job? It honestly doesn't sound like you're interested in it. People who like working in a technology role naturally grow their skills over time. You've been in the industry for a long time and have not progressed.

My advice would be you really need a good hard look at what you're passionate about and what motivates you. Sounds like you're holding into IT because it's what you've done and you're comfortable in your space, but you know your space is under threat and you really haven't found what it is you like. Continuing down the IT path is only going to get harder, it's going to change faster and you're going to competing for jobs against tech savvy people.
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Old 21st March 2017, 7:59 AM   #266
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20 pages in and I think we've given CBB plenty of good advice, up to him to now take it.

I'll clean up the abuse so that we're left with something that focuses on the GOOD point you guys have given him (and anyone else who comes into this thread with a similar question).

Closing this thread for now.
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