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Old 26th June 2017, 7:26 AM   #151
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I think I'll be getting my CPU from Silicon Lottery.
Delidded, Repasted with liquid metal, resealed and binned with 12 month warranty can't go wrong.

With that you shouldn't need custom cooling

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Old 26th June 2017, 9:21 AM   #152
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I think I'll be getting my CPU from Silicon Lottery.
Delidded, Repasted with liquid metal, resealed and binned with 12 month warranty can't go wrong.

With that you shouldn't need custom cooling
In this instance, what happens to the remainder of the Intel warranty?

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when this is what you have to do to make a chip useable.
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Old 26th June 2017, 10:00 AM   #153
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In this instance, what happens to the remainder of the Intel warranty?

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when this is what you have to do to make a chip useable.
Well the Intel warranty is void the moment you delid, so all you get is Silicon Lotteries 12 month warranty.
Guess you could try getting a Intel protection plan with a no questions ask swap on the first CPU.

To be honest, after watch TTL's 7820x review he was getting 72c at 4.8Ghz with 1.25v using a 240mm AIO, going 360mm custom water cooling should produce lower temps again.
For me doing 4.3Ghz on all cores is ample, it might not make a lot of sense to go down the Silicon Lottery path in the end.

What annoys me about going Ryzen is the serious drop in gaming performance even with a GTX1080ti at 1080p and 1440p

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Old 26th June 2017, 10:49 AM   #154
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What annoys me about going Ryzen is the serious drop in gaming performance even with a GTX1080ti at 1080p and 1440p
Clock speed is still king when it comes to gaming.
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Old 26th June 2017, 10:55 AM   #155
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It was confirmed last year that X299 was coming, so it isn't rushed in a sense that they've only been working on this a short period. But it feels like a rush release when they are doing a staggered release of the CPU's.
How much is 'rushed' vs. binning economics.

Intel can sell a 18-core Xeon (at a lower clock speed - easier to bin) for 2-7k USD*, why would they be too worried about having heaps of stock of a 2k 18-core i9 that has to be binned much higher. Wonder what the silicon yield rate is.

(and I'm sure there's more market for 18-core servers than desktops).


*http://ark.intel.com/Search/FeatureF...oreCountMax=18
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Old 26th June 2017, 11:04 AM   #156
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Well the Intel warranty is void the moment you delid, so all you get is Silicon Lotteries 12 month warranty.
Guess you could try getting a Intel protection plan with a no questions ask swap on the first CPU.

To be honest, after watch TTL's 7820x review he was getting 72c at 4.8Ghz with 1.25v using a 240mm AIO, going 360mm custom water cooling should produce lower temps again.
For me doing 4.3Ghz on all cores is ample, it might not make a lot of sense to go down the Silicon Lottery path in the end.

What annoys me about going Ryzen is the serious drop in gaming performance even with a GTX1080ti at 1080p and 1440p
Just grab a 7700k at 5.1Ghz if you want a gaming chip? Cant really say i can see gaming performance drops on my Ryzen system i never use fraps. Plug and play baby.

If anything reviewers are saying the Ryzen CPUs are a smoother experience than the i5/i7 i never touched an i7 chip after the 2600k.
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Just grab a 7700k at 5.1Ghz if you want a gaming chip? Cant really say i can see gaming performance drops on my Ryzen system i never use fraps. Plug and play baby.

If anything reviewers are saying the Ryzen CPUs are a smoother experience than the i5/i7 i never touched an i7 chip after the 2600k.
shame their overclocking is almost non existent!

7820X 8 core running 5ghz 1.3v, thats tasty. (even if its a nice penny to pay)
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Old 26th June 2017, 11:29 AM   #158
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shame their overclocking is almost non existent!

7820X 8 core running 5ghz 1.3v, thats tasty. (even if its a nice penny to pay)
Yeah x299 are good overclockers, but that comes at a price of high temps and high power consumption.
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Old 26th June 2017, 11:36 AM   #159
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shame their overclocking is almost non existent!

7820X 8 core running 5ghz 1.3v, thats tasty. (even if its a nice penny to pay)
Yeah kinda sucks a little but mine works fine for what i needed it for. I heard we are getting a new revisions to the current lineup so who knows might prove to overclock a bit more then the current release. I only have mine at 3.8Ghz on all 8 cores. Ive had it to 4Ghz but never tried higher.
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Old 26th June 2017, 12:12 PM   #160
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Just grab a 7700k at 5.1Ghz if you want a gaming chip? Cant really say i can see gaming performance drops on my Ryzen system i never use fraps. Plug and play baby.
Got one now, good for gaming not cutting it for everything else.

I'm 144hz gaming I do notice a drop in frame rate, 60hz locked games are painful

So looking at a good all round performing system is what I'm aiming for.
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Got one now, good for gaming not cutting it for everything else.

I'm 144hz gaming I do notice a drop in frame rate, 60hz locked games are painful

So looking at a good all round performing system is what I'm aiming for.
yeah i guess if you need that high FPS and semi workstation then your on that fence if you need the closest to the 7700k. Shame about the extra dollars for the intel system but thats just like buying Nvidia over AMD though, its an expected cost we are used to which is sort of closing the gap?

I mean the 6 cores/12 threads Ryzen is a frigging huge bargain if your happy with a lessor in the FPS region and don't need more then the lanes available on the chip.

I think Intel should realise that Ryzen 5 is the benchmark for both price and performance. It really makes the i5 and below redundant in most regards. I don't think anyone could sell me a Z170/270 setup based on Ryzen 5/7. And personally the i7 range is hanging by a thread due to the 4 cores as a overall performer. Great IPC unquestionable but thats where it stops.

If i had a 144Hz LCD and wanted the up most top performing gaming setup i probably would have a different opinion but i just don't bang for buck is in my blood atm.

But honestly i would wait for Threadripper because Intel are just price gouging in the vendor motherboard's atm. CPU's are not overly to bad given x99... but that 10 core variants is still a big rip vs their own 8 core version lol. I watched OC3D's review and yeah even he though the price was odd when the 7820k OC'ed was almost as quick within a bee's dick.
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Old 26th June 2017, 2:08 PM   #162
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yeah i guess if you need that high FPS and semi workstation then your on that fence if you need the closest to the 7700k. Shame about the extra dollars for the intel system but thats just like buying Nvidia over AMD though, its an expected cost we are used to which is sort of closing the gap?

I mean the 6 cores/12 threads Ryzen is a frigging huge bargain if your happy with a lessor in the FPS region and don't need more then the lanes available on the chip.

I think Intel should realise that Ryzen 5 is the benchmark for both price and performance. It really makes the i5 and below redundant in most regards. I don't think anyone could sell me a Z170/270 setup based on Ryzen 5/7. And personally the i7 range is hanging by a thread due to the 4 cores as a overall performer. Great IPC unquestionable but thats where it stops.

If i had a 144Hz LCD and wanted the up most top performing gaming setup i probably would have a different opinion but i just don't bang for buck is in my blood atm.

But honestly i would wait for Threadripper because Intel are just price gouging in the vendor motherboard's atm. CPU's are not overly to bad given x99... but that 10 core variants is still a big rip vs their own 8 core version lol. I watched OC3D's review and yeah even he though the price was odd when the 7820k OC'ed was almost as quick within a bee's dick.

thread ripper will be a much higher entry price than x299 with the entry level CPU looking to be over $1000 AUD alone. ( and those motherboards will be more expensive)

the 6 core 7800x is matching or beating the ryzen 7 1800x stock v stock and over clocked the 7800x is soundly ahead -- for the money the 7800x is the better choice and the far superior platform.

it would be hard to even justify the 1700 for a couple of hundred dollars more you get the intel platform

Zen 2 better be a show stopper to we will quickly find ourselves back in the the same situation as with bulldozer.
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thread ripper will be a much higher entry price than x299 with the entry level CPU looking to be over $1000 AUD alone. ( and those motherboards will be more expensive)
There's no way Threadripper CPU's will start at 1k. Also why would the motherboards be more expensive? Because they have a bigger socket?
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There's no way Threadripper CPU's will start at 1k. Also why would the motherboards be more expensive? Because they have a bigger socket?
the totally new platform, bigger socket, it will need bigger VRM's probably higher layer density on the boards as well.

Or course it will be if the Entry level CPU is $800 USD that is over $1k AUD.

Simple maths tell you it will be $1000 AUD or over

Ryzen 7 1800x -- an 8 core part is $675 50% more cores(12 core entry level) than this lets assume 30% price increase you are @ $1kAUD ish
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They said that the 16C/32T will be $850USD so while that may be ~$1000AUD the other models will be cheaper. Also AMD mobos have always been cheaper than Intel. I'm pretty sure this trend will continue.
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