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Old 30th April 2015, 10:59 AM   #16
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i7 was the nail in the coffin. Let's be honest here, an overclocked 1st gen i7 is still enough for 99% of users/gamers these days...
my 3770k isn't even overclocked yet and it's still more than adequate.

The i7's are just that good.
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Old 30th April 2015, 11:35 AM   #17
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i7 was the nail in the coffin. Let's be honest here, an overclocked 1st gen i7 is still enough for 99% of users/gamers these days...
the 1090t give it a good run for it's money in pure workload areas (such as rendering, zip, and sata performance), not only that... it just had a better feature set (onboard usb 3, more pcie lanes etc etc).

It was very neck and neck between the first gen i7's and the x6's (the x6's could get to 4.5ghz easily, and they pumped hard at that level).

Once SB came out though....... it was over. The performance gains of a SB system in terms of o/c headrooms (eg unheard of getting to 4ghz on a first gen without a DECENT w/c loop), but to get to 4.8, hell even 5ghz on a SB, just blew everything else away.

My machine (1090t @ 4.5ghz) competed quite well with a mates 3.8ghz 920 C0 and my bro's D0.
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Old 30th April 2015, 12:17 PM   #18
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the 1090t give it a good run for it's money in pure workload areas (such as rendering, zip, and sata performance), not only that... it just had a better feature set (onboard usb 3, more pcie lanes etc etc).
Only problem was that the x6 was released 18 months later than the i7-920, which is the real issue. By then, it was already waaaay too late...
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Old 30th April 2015, 5:35 PM   #19
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you realise you're a fanboy right? i have to ask because it's a word you're always using whether it's CPUs or GPUs. i have a sneaking suspicion you're not aware that you are one of the top fanboys on OCAU.
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I have lots LOTS more intel CPUs but thats whats in USE right now.

You want me to list over 100 nvidia cards i have owned as well? Maybe i have owned enough to know what CPU is good for what, If you really cant see past "everyone is a hardcore gamer like me" well not sure what i can say to help you out.

Intel is def the fastest CPU, but best in all uses? Sorry it simply isnt.
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For what purposes/functions/reasons would you choose a modern AMD chip over a modern Intel chip? Just curious.
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  • Capable gaming without discrete GPU, with 3D drivers that actually function correctly.
  • Embedded solutions (ie, casino "gaming")
  • Maybe if you were building a games console that will sell tens, if not hundreds of millions of units, and you wanted an SoC with chipset, audio, CPU, GPU, properly shared memory with context switching, and custom IP thrown in.

AMD is not dead. They may have been dead to enthusiasts for a while, but life (and business) exists outside of the OC ultimate performance bubble.

Besides, if they can deliver Zen on time, they will be back with performance. The 14nm process is already working for Samsung, GlobalFoundries have the same process, and AMD has the guy responsible for the most efficient SoC's of the last few generations back from Apple, leading that design.
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You're completely ignoring the 'standard user' desktop and laptop market. You know, the hundreds of millions of 'standard users' that AMD doesn't stand a chance against Intel.

Yes, they're decent for the scenarios you've pointed out, but for the standard desktop/laptop user, Intel has it.
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You're completely ignoring the 'standard user' desktop and laptop market. You know, the hundreds of millions of 'standard users' that AMD doesn't stand a chance against Intel.

Yes, they're decent for the scenarios you've pointed out, but for the standard desktop/laptop user, Intel has it.
I agree, I'm yet to see a half decent AMD powered lappy. They all run like shit.
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Being out of the game for a while I just went with eh 8350 recently....from the 1090T. Should have gone Intel but I just don't need to be bleeding edge these days and happy with a familiar brand.
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I agree, I'm yet to see a half decent AMD powered lappy. They all run like shit.
I've had a weekend with a Trinity powered MSI, it ran well and played Heart of the Swarm at high settings without any noticeable frame issues.

Depends on what you're using it for, as a desktop replacement I wouldn't go there. But if I'm shopping for someone that wants an all rounder I've got no issues recommending one if it's priced well. Admittedly with the 750/850m's around that's becomming a lot harder.
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You're completely ignoring the 'standard user' desktop and laptop market. You know, the hundreds of millions of 'standard users' that AMD doesn't stand a chance against Intel.

Yes, they're decent for the scenarios you've pointed out, but for the standard desktop/laptop user, Intel has it.
No chance? AMD not fast enough for FB? Hows minecraft going these days (Im finding minecraft on nearly as many PCs as ASK toolbar these days)

AMD APU fits that well, It really depends on how much sales tactics you get sucked in by "oh yeah the i7 is the fastest and should totally increase you farming on FB"

SSD and AMD over Intel and HDD any day, which on lower end budgets it comes down to that.

CPUs matter so little that i sell exlease dell optiplex systems with E8400's in them, if a E8400 is enough why all of a sudden is a AMD APU not?
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No chance? AMD not fast enough for FB? Hows minecraft going these days (Im finding minecraft on nearly as many PCs as ASK toolbar these days)
Both AMD & Intel's chips are fast enough for basic use. The question I pose to you is: Why spend the same amount of money for a slower/hotter chip?


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SSD and AMD over Intel and HDD any day, which on lower end budgets it comes down to that.
Except AMD & Intel's bottom-end chips are exactly the same price, and at same price-point, Intel's CPUs are more powerful at every level.

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CPUs matter so little that i sell exlease dell optiplex systems with E8400's in them, if a E8400 is enough why all of a sudden is a AMD APU not?
You're comparing a 7 year old 2nd hand processor to a brand new processor (which funnily enough, the 7 year old Intel processor is comparable to the $58 new AMD processor). Playing CS:GO chunks on any modern dual core chip, so if you actually want decent performance, you actually do need a quad core these days.
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I agree, I'm yet to see a half decent AMD powered lappy. They all run like shit.
I've got an A6-something HP from a couple years back in a few bits here that just needs a keyboard, when I was testing it ran no different from any budget laptop I've used, ask something more than web browser and it'd crap out I'm sure but it was tolerable for what 99% of users would do on it. (Not me, I love my 60 chrome tabs open in the background sucking 10gb of RAM, but I only do it because I can)

AMD gets excessively bad rap for laptops because they are only found in budget systems, filled with budget motherboards, budget screens, budget chassis with budget design/build quality/finish, budget keyboards, and loaded with crapware to subsidise the budget price. And they can't complain because at least someone's buying their chips!

I think some company (MSI?) in the last year or two was silly enough to put an A10 in a gaming laptop with a decent graphics card, and it got like 20-30% across the board lower fps than an intel (with a weaker gfx card iirc) it was more CPU bound than a bondage den

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You're comparing a 7 year old 2nd hand processor to a brand new processor (which funnily enough, the 7 year old Intel processor is comparable to the $58 new AMD processor).
I sold an E8600 on fleabay late last year for more than $58 ...
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I sold an E8600 on fleabay late last year for more than $58 ...
My point is that he was putting them down, when they're still a decent chip.

Drdeathy, it's not the fact that AMD's aren't good enough, it's that Intel's are better for the same money.
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