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Old 24th February 2017, 1:02 PM   #121
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I suspect its good and true for video encoding. My only concern is gaming. The gaming demos they've shown off don't really demonstrate realistic cases. Low frequency high thread CPUs aren't ideal for gaming, so comparing it to a (what was it?) ~3ghz 6 core instead of a 4.5ghz quad is being particularly selective about the benchmarks. Sure they show a demo against a quad, but its in an extremely easy to run moba and demonstrating video encoding, not really about the game.
Yeah I'm also pretty interested to see how it goes with games. I don't play PC games much any more but do most of them still only use 1 or 2 cores? That could hurt a lot.
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Old 24th February 2017, 1:05 PM   #122
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Is there cpus coming out to replace the A-series?
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Old 24th February 2017, 1:20 PM   #123
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Yeah I'm also pretty interested to see how it goes with games. I don't play PC games much any more but do most of them still only use 1 or 2 cores? That could hurt a lot.
Some current and most future games will be using DX12/Vulkan which supports I think up to 6 cores just for managing the gpu.
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Old 24th February 2017, 1:25 PM   #124
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Some current and most future games will be using DX12/Vulkan which supports I think up to 6 cores just for managing the gpu.
I want to see comparisons on BF1.

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Old 24th February 2017, 3:26 PM   #125
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s there will be new apu's but as of now there are ones that can be used in the boards...just no one selling them

straight form the biostar supported cpu list

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AM4 AMD Athlon™ II X4 950 AD950XAGM44AB 3.50 GHz 65W
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AM4 Bristol A12 9800E AD9800AHM44AB 3.10 GHz 35W
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Old 24th February 2017, 3:45 PM   #126
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to be honest the apus have more of my attention than the cpus i honestly dont think the 6700k(or 7700k) will be beaten by its comppettor for its range but the price per dollar will be better on amds side (like usual) just wondering how it is for gaming as comparing the 8 core vs a 6 core for gaming isnt tell us a whole lot although even ifg its a close should drive intels price down.

im actually more hyped for vega being honest who knows maybe amd will win both battles
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Old 24th February 2017, 4:10 PM   #127
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http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-580-cross...ts-benchmarks/
well funny you should mention that.

as for gaming who knows...it is really going to come down to the game
shitty coded ones that use half a core yes pure speed is going to win.
but the 1800x is 3.6/4 and should without raising much of a sweat hit 4.2 hell even stock i can see it keeping up.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1729?vs=1491
lets check a 7700 kvs a 6900k just for fun.

now how many times in that chart do you see a 7700k beat the 6900k
it seems pretty even gaming wise wouldn't you say... save a few here and there (mind they are older games)

that is what i base my assumption that the 1800x will hold its own especially in newer games.

now the 1800x is 200 more than the 7700k but it is also new and has room to move, driver game optimisation etc....how much more do you think they can squeeze out skylake part 2...err kaby lake and if they DO why didn't they before...tsk tsk intel.

but again all heresay rumours and guesswork from me

but lets look at it a different way.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1826

7700k vs a fx 8350

now they have stated a 52 per cent increase in ipc....does that equal better performance..probably not the math doesn't add up for single threaded apps...will it be within spitting distance...i think so.

will the 7700k come anywhere near any of the ryzen in multi threaded apps....hell no a 300 odd dollar 1600x will eat it

so again if gaming is your only concern and you do nothing else including streaming...then stick with intel...be my guest you want a more rounded multithreaded hulk of a cpu that i think will only get better grab a ryzen

choice is always yours and no one can tell you what you can buy...all up to you.

pretty zen huh...get it...get it
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Old 24th February 2017, 4:13 PM   #128
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Crosshair VI Hero does have AM3 + AM4 mounting holes, great idea from Asus
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http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-580-cross...ts-benchmarks/
well funny you should mention that.

as for gaming who knows...it is really going to come down to the game
shitty coded ones that use half a core yes pure speed is going to win.
but the 1800x is 3.6/4 and should without raising much of a sweat hit 4.2 hell even stock i can see it keeping up.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1729?vs=1491
lets check a 7700 kvs a 6900k just for fun.

now how many times in that chart do you see a 7700k beat the 6900k
it seems pretty even gaming wise wouldn't you say... save a few here and there (mind they are older games)

that is what i base my assumption that the 1800x will hold its own especially in newer games.

now the 1800x is 200 more than the 7700k but it is also new and has room to move, driver game optimisation etc....how much more do you think they can squeeze out skylake part 2...err kaby lake and if they DO why didn't they before...tsk tsk intel.

but again all heresay rumours and guesswork from me

but lets look at it a different way.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1826

7700k vs a fx 8350

now they have stated a 52 per cent increase in ipc....does that equal better performance..probably not the math doesn't add up for single threaded apps...will it be within spitting distance...i think so.

will the 7700k come anywhere near any of the ryzen in multi threaded apps....hell no a 300 odd dollar 1600x will eat it

so again if gaming is your only concern and you do nothing else including streaming...then stick with intel...be my guest you want a more rounded multithreaded hulk of a cpu that i think will only get better grab a ryzen

choice is always yours and no one can tell you what you can buy...all up to you.

pretty zen huh...get it...get it
i think this is better not for those coming of skylake/kabylake or even haswell but before them (maybe 2600k finally retires ? i miss mine )
the price per performance is where amd has won even if it doesn tbeat the 6700/7700k its gonna beat it in this regard (1600x here) but amd is amd and we have all seen amd burn their customers before. that being said i see the apus smashing it

edit also loving people flogging off their stuff on gumtree but ofc they are trying to get close to full rrp for their 7700/6700k
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Old 24th February 2017, 4:16 PM   #130
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wait....what...where did you see that...maybe i don't need a new cooler woohhoo

scrap that i just grabbed a shot of the board and saw the other mounting holes..
as for amd screwing people over...yep the fx series was a dogs breakfast and they should have scraped it but were to deep in the hole so tried to push it further....this is not that

i just went over the gigabyte and msi titanium and sure enough they do not have the extra mount holes...and looking closely at the gigabyte k7 it looks like theres room and nothing in the way of it....so why not. Lazy bastards....yet another reason i am happy with my purchase
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lol thinking vm's 8 cores 16 threads woot Will be waiting for real reviews, but dam it's looking good. Maybe its the thunderbird days coming agian, i hope so.
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Old 26th February 2017, 10:50 AM   #132
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Starting to see a few more mATX mobos popping up.

Think Bilko/Mutman's spreadsheet has a typoe on the Aorus and its ATX. However there are at least 2 different GIgabyte mATX mobos.

Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16813145002
Gigabyte AB350M-D3H - https://www.ple.com.au/Products/6272...op-Motherboard

Both those above have 2x x16 physical slots - not sure how the lanes are distributed tho'

I'm looking for an mATX mobo with Crossfire support, and OC capability.. guess I'll have to wait for reviews.

Hopefully some site out there is doing a mATX mobo comparison test - would be a good way to get solid traffic out of the review frenzy, rather than just following the herd and testing CPU.

My current leading prospective purchase..

Asrock AB350M Pro4 mATX - https://www.ple.com.au/Products/6272...M4-Motherboard

(link is not an endorsement - I have no experience of PLE as a vendor.. choice is just very limited for local mATX board links yet..)
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Old 26th February 2017, 11:31 AM   #133
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https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PR...pecifications/
more inclined to look at that one, few more features and better all round it looks

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/asu...rboard-ac02350

all the shops seem to be around the same price
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I Think the little Asrock board has potential. Have to see what's under that VRM HS but it appears more solid than the ASUS 4+2 implementation.. which is not even heatsinked.

In fact the VRM on all the entry level ASUS boards appears identical to the A320M-C, just some with two high-side FEt's / phase. Which I can tell you first won't be much good for OCing. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the 350M-A and below only support 65w Ryzen.
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...Think Bilko/Mutman's spreadsheet has a typoe on the Aorus and its ATX...
Thanks for the heads up. I've corrected the Gaming 3 to be mATX
gigabytes site hasnt got the d3h listed ???

Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16813145002
Gigabyte AB350M-D3H - https://www.ple.com.au/Products/6272...op-Motherboard
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