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Old 29th October 2016, 7:18 AM   #61
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Forget business level. What about programmers? Where's my freaking escape key, Apple?
Yet another adapter cable.

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Old 29th October 2016, 7:57 AM   #62
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Yet another adapter cable.

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Old 29th October 2016, 8:07 AM   #63
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This is proof you don't use Windows at all.
I use Windows 10, on a Surfae Pro, almost every day.

The thing is buggy as hell. Constant issues with rotation, with not going to sleep/waking from sleep properly, with it forgetting wireless networks and refusing to reconnect until you restart, with its bizarre insistnace on downloading endless bloody updates and then bugging me about them. There are just so many little annoyances that the Mac doesn't have.

It's also ugly, and the UI is crazy inconsistent. There are dialogs and control panels and stuff that looks like they have been pulled straight out of Windows XP, while other things look all modern.

Windows also lacks all the ecosystem intergrations that Apple has. There's no handoff, no universal clipboard, not airdrop. I can't unlock the surface with my wathch. I use all this stuff daily and it make life heaps easier.

Finally, most of the applications that I like the most aren't on Windows and the alternatives that are on Windows just aren't as good.

When you add all this up, Windows 10 is average at best.
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Old 29th October 2016, 10:04 AM   #64
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Yet another adapter cable.

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You'll need the $29 USB-C to USB cable to get that esc key to work.
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Old 29th October 2016, 11:38 AM   #65
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It's also ugly
The "your UI is subjectively less appealing to my personal taste than my UI" argument got boring 10 years ago. Please leave that off your prepared checklist next time.

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I can't unlock the surface with my wathch
As a business user, we disable this function for security reasons. You can be quite some distance from your machine when it unlocks, and that's a problem. Likewise, people can steal single-factor token based unlock devices, and that too is a problem.

Again, more of Apple's consumer approach to computing, which is fine, but not suitable for the business I work for. Not a selling point for me, just another annoying thing I have to disable.
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Old 29th October 2016, 12:27 PM   #66
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I love my mbpr but anyone thinking mac belongs in enterprise/larger business for anything but the flashy sales guy who only uses it for web based sales crap and office suite and struggles to reboot his laptop once a month is fuckin delusional

STRUGGLE with SMB shares, any type of network drop/sleep = 90% chance of eject and try again.

on topic, new one doesnt look like enough of an improvement over the previous gen, maybe rev2 or 3 will get my $
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Old 29th October 2016, 2:34 PM   #67
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https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/wh...t-thing-to-do/

A nice take on the Touch Bar that I mostly agree with.
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Old 29th October 2016, 3:41 PM   #68
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https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/wh...t-thing-to-do/

A nice take on the Touch Bar that I mostly agree with.
You know, for someone who's urging a forum full of people to wait until the hardware is in their hands to make an informed decision, you sure are missing the irony of your own posts.

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STRUGGLE with SMB shares, any type of network drop/sleep = 90% chance of eject and try again.
This has been a major issue for us since 10.7.

There was some discussion above about Windows being "unstable". Anyone who knows me knows I'm no Windows fan, but at least it can mount enterprise storage reliably.

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You'll need the $29 USB-C to USB cable to get that esc key to work.
Saw this image doing the rounds today, titled "Apple's fastest growing hardware range".


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Old 29th October 2016, 4:43 PM   #69
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so they put a bar on its thats multitouch etc.

Why the heck wouldn't they just turn the trackpad into a iphone screen?

then u could really have custom features.. rather than taking your fingers to the top of the keyboard.

They would certainly have economies of scale from making the screens already.
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Old 29th October 2016, 5:39 PM   #70
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Just installed Windows 10 over the top of OSX on a couple of new current gen 15" MBP's for someone.
Cost them $3.6k for each i7/512gb SSD version, which was $600 more than the Dell XPS equiv (with far better 4k screen and full touch !)... AND a Windows 10 license already, lol!

EDIT: lol, the new MBP with the same spec is now AUD $4,249.00 ... such a rip-off

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Old 29th October 2016, 5:50 PM   #71
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Just installed Windows 10 over the top of OSX on a couple of new current gen 15" MBP's for someone.
Cost them $3.6k for each i7/512gb SSD version, which was $600 more than the Dell XPS equiv (with far better 4k screen and full touch !)... AND a Windows 10 license already, lol!

EDIT: lol, the new MBP with the same spec is now AUD $4,249.00 ... such a rip-off
Haha yeah work bought me my mbp and I put win 10 on mine also haha.

As I have said earlier ill be getting a surface book next time though.
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Old 29th October 2016, 6:09 PM   #72
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This has been a major issue for us since 10.7.

There was some discussion above about Windows being "unstable". Anyone who knows me knows I'm no Windows fan, but at least it can mount enterprise storage reliably.
I'm hearing ya, sole reason that google drive got implemented at the school I was at was because the sheeple couldnt deal with having to cmd+k and hit connect if it dropped the shares.
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Old 29th October 2016, 6:37 PM   #73
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Nice first looks by Jim Dalrymple

He seems too like it. Has a lot of good things to say about the Touch Bar.

http://www.loopinsight.com/2016/10/2...edium=referral

Basically anything by Gruber or Dalrymple can be safely ignored these days. Those to guys are drowning in Apple Kool-Aid.

I generally like Apple hardware and software (and I'll keep my 2010 11" Air around until it stops booting) but it's becoming so expensive for less versatility than I don't think I can justify a new Macbook Pro.

USB C only is a bit harsh in 2016. I've not seen a single fucking USB peripheral in real life other than the cables that came with my Nexus phones.

Even if I have buckets of money to go buy new peripherals and USB drives in USB C I'll run into the issue of all my work computers and other people's machines not having it. Then they need dongles too.

That said - at the rate Apple upgrades their Macs these days they probably needed to put USB C in now so that in 4 years time and everyone has moved to type C and Apple still hasn't updated the Macs they'll be compatible
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Old 30th October 2016, 2:12 AM   #74
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It's also ugly, and the UI is crazy inconsistent.
You could argue the exact same thing about OSX. Still can't maximize apps. Some apps maximize correctly, some only resize vertically.

I prefer Windows 10 over OSX despite the fact I spend 90% of my time on my laptop in OSX. The 10% I boot into bootcamp is because on this 12" Macbook I get better battery life out of Windows 10. (this is only true when there's no discrete graphics card, because Apple's ability to switch gives better battery life in OSX, My MBPr got better battery than Windows 10)
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Old 30th October 2016, 10:42 AM   #75
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I love my mbpr but anyone thinking mac belongs in enterprise/larger business for anything but the flashy sales guy who only uses it for web based sales crap and office suite and struggles to reboot his laptop once a month is fuckin delusional

STRUGGLE with SMB shares, any type of network drop/sleep = 90% chance of eject and try again.

on topic, new one doesnt look like enough of an improvement over the previous gen, maybe rev2 or 3 will get my $
Try using mountain for OSX. Been great for shares and mounting.

Windows 10 is an absolute pile of advertising shit don't know anyone can defend it.
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