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Old 22nd December 2011, 12:48 AM   #1
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Default Inverter Mayhem

No, I'm not really a newb to PCs but boy did today make me feel like one.

Around 3pm this arvo I smelt something that distinctively resembled PCB burning. I thought 'OH SHIT, the PSU/CPU/Mobo is about to die!', seeing how I had to replace the CM Excalibur yesterday with the slim Scythe fan on the 212+ in order to fit the extra RAM into the slots. So I quickly tried to shut down the computer. Seriously, every second you spend waiting for it to turn off feels like an eternity.

So I did the ol' sniff and inspect test. First the CPU. Nothing. Then motherboard... ok, nothing again. Then PSU, slight lingering smell of burning PCB but not strong enough to suggest something was wrong with it. So I went on to inspect everything else and was dumbfounded when I saw that everything looked ok. Was really puzzled at this point and decided to switch the PC back on to see if the malfunctioning part would emit the smell/smoke again. For 5 minutes, nothing. Then I saw that the Scythe fan was reving up and down continuously as the temperature sensor on the Lamptron touch fan controller was going nuts (kept switching between the 34/35C which made it go from 45->100% then 100->45%). So I adjusted the setting so it the fan will only go to 100% if the case reaches 40C. 'Fixed!', or so I thought.

For the next 3 hours I kept smelling this lingering smell of burnt PCB and thought nothing of it because the smell really does linger for ages, especially with slow moving air - like in my room. So it was about 7pm now and I went out to get some food and beer. Came back to find that the smell had gotten stronger. Didn't really think much about it... I mean come on, beer + fish + epic chips + calamari rings = win. Fast forward 'til now. Did a session of CSS and noticed that one of the cathode lights was out. I thought 'Great, I recently bought the light and now its dead... >_<' - it was in the most awkward part of the case as well.

I turned everything off again and took out the inverter. I kid you not, but aluminum bar that runs across the Thermaltake Armor case (practically shoved the inverter in there) was burning hot and gave myself a bit of a scolding on the tips of my fingers. So I pushed the damn thing out with a pen to find that the plastic had become pretty soft. After I got the inverter out I noticed that the plastic had warped pretty badly as well as some scorch marks on the side.



I opened up the bloody thing and noticed that 3 capacitors had blown causing the main inverter block to slightly melt the plastic that was surrounding it and charing the PCB itself.









And to think that was going to leave the PC on all night downloading Steam games... not to mention leaving it unattended whilst getting food. Think I may have dodged a bullet here as it could have been a lot LOT worse.

Lets see how long the next inverter will last... seeing how my bag of inverters are now approaching 6 years old. =_=

tl;dr - burnt inverter... that is all.

EDIT: And excuse my lousy photography skills. I really do need to invest in a properly digital camera... instead of using my phone.
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Old 22nd December 2011, 2:18 AM   #2
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excuse to upgrade to LED lighting :P

also no need for a better camera, just need more light <:
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Old 22nd December 2011, 2:26 AM   #3
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i recall a guy going postal and posting about this happening a few years ago
never trusted them since but had 6 in previous build
never left them on unattended though
toss em all!
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Old 22nd December 2011, 2:48 AM   #4
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i had some super old ones which started arcing, so i kinda got rid of them :P
wow, P3 days (with automotive neons)
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Old 22nd December 2011, 9:43 AM   #5
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Crazy man, I think u are lucky nothing else happened while it was unattended.
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Old 22nd December 2011, 12:24 PM   #6
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I would love to use LEDs but I hate how the light is very directional, i.e. it doesn't bathe everything in light like a CCFL does. Then again, I haven't really bothered to use a diffuser in the past for it... might be something I'll try in the new year.

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i recall a guy going postal and posting about this happening a few years ago
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Was it this guy?

I've got 4 in current build and another 6 or so in my old NAS.

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i had some super old ones which started arcing,
, if mine started arcing everything literally wouldve have been screwed as 75% inverter case was surrounded by the case metal since I had wedged it into the structural bar that runs across the Armor case.
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Old 22nd December 2011, 12:28 PM   #7
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Was it this guy?
yep!
inverters are BAD mmmmmkay

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Old 22nd December 2011, 2:44 PM   #8
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What's an inverter?
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What's an inverter?
Its the box that lets a pc power supply run a cathode.
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Old 22nd December 2011, 2:52 PM   #10
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inb4 whatsacathode

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ex&cPath=209_5

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Looks like the high voltage output caps failed. These things are actually quite non-trivial to make reliably, no surprises that such a simple design failed.
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Next time, put in a fuse. I remember a guy that got one of these installed in his Silvia under the dash and the car caught on fire. Apparently he saw smoke coming from the vents, hit it into reverse to go into his drive way and smacked into a pole. He got out to inspect the damage forgot all about the smoke and then noticed fire in his car
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Next time, put in a fuse.
Actually... that wouldn't be a bad idea. Might need to do a bit of testing and would be a good excuse to brush up on my electronics knowledge! Great, all I need now is a spare PSU - kinda wish I didn't sell all my old test units.
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Wow. Now I know why I've always kept my distance from those cheap CCFLs...
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And another one bites the dust...







Pretty much the same vintage as the first one. Seems like the same capacitor has failed.

Think this may be a sign to switch to LED lighting.
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