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Old 24th March 2012, 10:45 AM   #31
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If they can double the density, why not put raid 0 in drive itself?
2 platters, and separate arms.

one dies, flag drive bad. migrate.

not as simple as i say, but cheaper than 2 drives, and 50% better.
Interesting thought. Wouldn't have to be RAID 0. You could say perhaps increase drive resilience with RAID 1 and with multiple controllers. As mentioned it would be a rather expensive product though.

Capacity is far outstripping HDD performance that it's rather scary being able to store so much data but it taking ages ages to migrate it if you need to. Especially if that data is stored in small chunks that require lots of I/O. I've been migrating a NAS with 10TB of data and it's a rather long process. The total capacity is 60TB... I'm just glad it's not full.
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Old 24th March 2012, 11:08 AM   #32
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They won't come out at that price.

Chances are you'll get the 6TB drives first at what 4TB entered the market (400-500 dollars).
I wasnt refering to the 6tb. I was refering to the 60tb
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Old 24th March 2012, 2:14 PM   #33
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I wasnt refering to the 6tb. I was refering to the 60tb
Do you honestly think that 60TB drives are going to come out tomorrow? Or next year?

As has been mentioned, it will be progressive.

So say 6TB drives next at current high end prices.

Then in 6-12 months, say 8TB drives at current high end prices and so on and so forth.
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Old 24th March 2012, 3:26 PM   #34
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It's like cpu's and any other progressive market. Sure they may might make occasional leaps and bounds forwards in capacity/speed, but they need to

1) make a profit (i.e. recouping the millions in R&D costs for the drive in your pc you paid $100 for takes times an drive sales, then they can worry about the bottom line increasing once all the R&D costs are accounted for).

2) not destroy the market. what would they do with all the technology that was obsolete before its time, with all the old drives in warehouses that no0one wanted and that they couldn't give away if there was a sudden 20x jump in available drive capacity.

These are the reasons that the hardware advances slowly creep forward, to remain sustainable and practical, least of all the fact that It is going to take a long time for this to go from a lab, where they probably have only broken the data density on a single area of an experimental platter no more then 2x2mm at most using an entire labs worth of gear to advancing to the point where they can do the same thing on the entire surface of a 3 inch platter
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Old 24th March 2012, 3:42 PM   #35
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If they can double the density, why not put raid 0 in drive itself?
2 platters, and separate arms.

one dies, flag drive bad. migrate.

not as simple as i say, but cheaper than 2 drives, and 50% better.
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That's something I've thought about as well.

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Interesting thought. Wouldn't have to be RAID 0. snip

I think what nolan is actually referring to here is Raid 1 in the drive, so that if one 'half' of the drive let go you could replace the drive without losing your data.

Actually having raid 0 in the drive would only serve to halve the drives reliability.
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Old 24th March 2012, 3:49 PM   #36
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I just don't know how home users can even fill a current 3TB drive now, not to mention the over the top multi-TB RAIDs that users on here have... I'm totally down with RAID's and keeping stuff safe, but sheer storage capacity of that range still baffles me.
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Old 24th March 2012, 4:02 PM   #37
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I just don't know how home users can even fill a current 3TB drive now, not to mention the over the top multi-TB RAIDs that users on here have... I'm totally down with RAID's and keeping stuff safe, but sheer storage capacity of that range still baffles me.
wut... kidding right ?
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Old 24th March 2012, 4:19 PM   #38
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wut... kidding right ?
Feel free to post a directory tree of your hard drivers, I'm quite positive it will be your glorious porn and downloaded TV/Movie folders..

So yea sure large scale TB drives have a use, you know apart from hobbyist photographers/videographers I'm quite sure large scale storage is for enthusiastic masturbaters or movie/tv buff's. Which leaves non-porn watching, non-movie/tv downloading ppl with vastly empty disks.
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Do you honestly think that 60TB drives are going to come out tomorrow? Or next year?

As has been mentioned, it will be progressive.

So say 6TB drives next at current high end prices.

Then in 6-12 months, say 8TB drives at current high end prices and so on and so forth.
Obviously it will be years before they are released. Probably upwards of 10 years. And that still wont make a difference. They will still be extremely priced. 3 TB drives have been out how long now? and its still cheaper to buy 3 1tb drives.
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Old 24th March 2012, 4:47 PM   #40
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Feel free to post a directory tree of your hard drivers, I'm quite positive it will be your glorious porn and downloaded TV/Movie folders..

So yea sure large scale TB drives have a use, you know apart from hobbyist photographers/videographers I'm quite sure large scale storage is for enthusiastic masturbaters or movie/tv buff's. Which leaves non-porn watching, non-movie/tv downloading ppl with vastly empty disks.
What exactly is your point then? Sounds like you expect everyone should be like you? There's a reason why they still make smaller hard drives too you know, to cater to people like yourself, while the rest of us 'enthusiast masturbaters' can have all the stuff we want too.


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Obviously it will be years before they are released. Probably upwards of 10 years. And that still wont make a difference. They will still be extremely priced. 3 TB drives have been out how long now? and its still cheaper to buy 3 1tb drives.
You're still not getting it. 3TB is still king of the hill. Yes there are 4TB drives floating around, but they aren't mainstream yet, so 3TB drives still attract premium prices. Soon enough 4TB's will hit the market properly and 3TB's will drop in price.

The other thing you're not considering is that 3x 1TB drives takes up 3x as many slots/ports as a single 3TB drive. That doesn't matter if you only need 3tb of space, but matters a hell of a lot if you need far more then that. It also matters if you care about how much power your pc is consuming. 1 large drive uses less power then 3 smaller ones.
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Old 24th March 2012, 5:01 PM   #41
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Feel free to post a directory tree of your hard drivers, I'm quite positive it will be your glorious porn and downloaded TV/Movie folders..

So yea sure large scale TB drives have a use, you know apart from hobbyist photographers/videographers I'm quite sure large scale storage is for enthusiastic masturbaters or movie/tv buff's. Which leaves non-porn watching, non-movie/tv downloading ppl with vastly empty disks.
You do realise more and more people are using various media centers in there house now right ? I know many "normal" people that have quiet large iTune library's that are shard throughout the house, talking 3+ TB easy.

Also know of quite a few 'normal' people that are borderline IT illiterate that once introduced to media center solutions have pretty much started ripping there old Dvd's etc to HDD's purely for the convenience. Took a bit of help for them to be able to do it ..but once they get there..

Then also "normal" people's photos... with the advent of smartphones with somewhat decent optics, 'normal' people can and do take snaps & movies much more frequently... need to store them somewhere. Not to mention family members that like to make Dvd's of family events / happenings blah blah to sent out to rello's etc, again have supported many 'normal' people doing such tasks.

And one that surprised me... again, almost illiterate PC 'normal' people that actually know how to watch and DL youtube movies ... to be fair most only do so to throw onto the phone for various reasons... but some of the people that do this really surprised me.

'Normal' people also play games too... amazing how much that can build up if they get digital copies from the likes of steam and origin.

Then you get those that do a bit of work from home... had 1 client with close to 1TB of power point presentations AND associated images etc, work would no provide a laptop so they did most at home on there PC and use USB to take it to work etc, but the master version for the company were on there home PC.

Again, all these examples were not from what I would call power users by any means.

As for me... well given I run like 5-6+ Servers over iSCSI @ home + a few media center's throughout the house.. yeah I have a bit tied up in storage

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Feel free to post a directory tree of your hard drivers, I'm quite positive it will be your glorious porn and downloaded TV/Movie folders..

So yea sure large scale TB drives have a use, you know apart from hobbyist photographers/videographers I'm quite sure large scale storage is for enthusiastic masturbaters or movie/tv buff's. Which leaves non-porn watching, non-movie/tv downloading ppl with vastly empty disks.
Some of us mastabatory enthusiasts stream our content too, so we can save $$ on HDD's.
You only need to stream a minute or two at a time, right?
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lol, defensive much?

Storage is a bit of soft spot for the torrent elite, I totally dig it. Your typical user isn't using 3TB of disk is the thinking that birthed my original comment on it.

There's a million legitimate reasons to have large storage at home, all the more power and storage to you.
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lol, defensive much?

Storage is a bit of soft spot for the torrent elite, I totally dig it. Your typical user isn't using 3TB of disk is the thinking that birthed my original comment on it.

There's a million legitimate reasons to have large storage at home, all the more power and storage to you.
Mate, you just came into the storage forum and called all the people with more then your limited perspective of the 'average' amount of storage wankers. What exactly did you think was going to happen? I know it's saturday, but perhaps one less 6pack before posting anywhere but in the pub might be an idea, hey?
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Mate, you just came into the storage forum and called all the people with more then your limited perspective of the 'average' amount of storage wankers. What exactly did you think was going to happen? I know it's saturday, but perhaps one less 6pack before posting anywhere but in the pub might be an idea, hey?
Sorry if it was taken that way, I wasn't alluding to the literal idea that every large storage array is used purely for a jerk-off station.. It was made in jest, though torrents obviously isn't a far cry from the truth.
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