Ubuntu Quantal QUETZAL (12.10)

[f3n1x]

I think one of the things holding linux back in the SME space is the fact that a an easy to install and administer seamless mail and groupware server that integrates seamlessly with a proper client (webmail doesn't always work for everyone).

I know half the people that read this will suggest zimbra, but zimbra's installation is awkard and requires tech savvy.

Compare:
http://www.howtoforge.com/installing...uite_on_ubuntu

http://www.enterprisenetworkingplane...ep-3877601.htm

[cleary]

Originally Posted by Asteroid

Here's the thing, to me anyway it offers no significant advantage over its competitors. Fedora, mint etc are just as much of a "put disk in, turn pc on" experience without being ugly as shit and with an awkward gui. Of course I can fix that but it sort of flies in the face of that philosophy, no? Sorry, no deal.

I have been in charge of theming a distro before. One persons ugly as shit is another persons Mona Lisa. No matter which way you slice it.

[HyRax1]

Originally Posted by f3n1x

I think one of the things holding linux back in the SME space is the fact that a an easy to install and administer seamless mail and groupware server that integrates seamlessly with a proper client (webmail doesn't always work for everyone).

How does webmail "not work for everyone"? It's just an interface at the end of the day - how does being in a web browser or a native app change that?

Originally Posted by f3n1x

I know half the people that read this will suggest zimbra, but zimbra's installation is awkard and requires tech savvy.

Zimbra rocks, and it only takes 10 minutes to setup. It's hardly necessary to be "tech-savvy" at all, but sadly most people will take typing in "sudo ./install" at a terminal and then follow the prompts to be a "technical" thing. It's completely self-contained. There is no knowledge necessary to setup Apache, Postfix or OpenLDAP, because it's all done for you. It doesn't get any easier!

I've set it up for several clients now and they have had no need to go back to their Outlook clients because it already has an Outlook-style interface, but if they wanted to, they can still use it or Thunderbird or Evolution or any other client with Zimbra.

[Soarer GT]

Originally Posted by HyRax1

How does webmail "not work for everyone"? It's just an interface at the end of the day - how does being in a web browser or a native app change that?


Zimbra rocks, and it only takes 10 minutes to setup. It's hardly necessary to be "tech-savvy" at all, but sadly most people will take typing in "sudo ./install" at a terminal and then follow the prompts to be a "technical" thing. It's completely self-contained. There is no knowledge necessary to setup Apache, Postfix or OpenLDAP, because it's all done for you. It doesn't get any easier!

I've set it up for several clients now and they have had no need to go back to their Outlook clients because it already has an Outlook-style interface, but if they wanted to, they can still use it or Thunderbird or Evolution or any other client with Zimbra.

Webmail doesnt work if you're on a plane.

[cleary]

Originally Posted by Soarer GT

Webmail doesnt work if you're on a plane.

Google says most major airlines offer in-flight wifi access?

[HyRax1]

Originally Posted by Soarer GT

Webmail doesnt work if you're on a plane.

Which is why it also works with offline clients - Zimbra has an offline client that looks much like the webmail client.

[elvis]

Originally Posted by Asteroid

Here's the thing, to me anyway it offers no significant advantage over its competitors. Fedora, mint etc are just as much of a "put disk in, turn pc on" experience without being ugly as shit and with an awkward gui. Of course I can fix that but it sort of flies in the face of that philosophy, no? Sorry, no deal.

Originally Posted by cleary

I have been in charge of theming a distro before. One persons ugly as shit is another persons Mona Lisa. No matter which way you slice it.

At this exact moment, I'm sitting in an office with over 50 artists and designers across various 2D and 3D speciality creative fields.

Guess how many of them can agree on what "good design" is?

I'm staring at 50 different desktops across three different desktop operating systems. Not a single one of them like what the person sitting next to them has set up as their desktop theme. In fact, I'm certain the phrase "ugly as shit" gets mentioned daily.

[tr3nton]

http://blog.canonical.com/2012/07/19...f-the-browser/

....That’s why we’ve been working on a way to integrate the two worlds – something to make it just as easy to run a web application as a traditional app. And we’ve been working to give web applications access to the full range of desktop capabilities.

At OSCON today, Mark Shuttleworth revealed Ubuntu Web Apps, a new feature due to land in October’s Ubuntu 12.10 release. It will enable Ubuntu users to run online applications like Facebook, Twitter, Last.FM, Ebay and GMail direct from the desktop. Making web applications behave like their desktop counterparts improves the user experience dramatically; it’s faster and it reduces the proliferation of browser tabs and windows that can quickly make a desktop unmanageable.

...

Ubuntu Web Apps will be available as a preview for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS soon and will be available by default in Ubuntu 12.10. I think we’ve made something that’s about to radically change users’ expectations of the web!

Currently supported sites

[IKT]

As above, Mark Shuttleworth's speech at OSCON:

http://youtu.be/W2LGmY796wQ?t=15m50s

Started at 16:00 when he starts talking about Unity.

[FOXH0UND]

I only know what a Quetzal is thanks to MGS I still think 11.10 had the weirdest name.

[tr3nton]

http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/09/06/...eta-1-released

The Ubuntu team is pleased to announce the first beta release of Ubuntu 12.10 Desktop, Server, Cloud, and Core products.

Ubuntu Changes

Some of the new features now available are:

• The consolidated client images now support the logical volume manager (LVM) as well as full disk encryption.
• Update Manager has been renamed Software Updater and now checks for updates when launched.
• A new X.org stack has been introduced which includes xserver 1.13 candidate versions, mesa 9.0, and updated X libs and drivers.
• Unity has been updated to version 6.4 including support for dash previews and coverflow view. Now that compiz with GLES support has landed, unity-3d works again on the pandaboard.
• The Ubuntu desktop has begun migrating from Python 2 to Python 3. Most Python applications included in the desktop is now using Python 3, and most Python modules that are included by default are available for both Python 2 and Python 3.

[Smakked]

Wont even boot properly on my machine, gets past the loading screen then garbled graphics.

[IKT]

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/u...eta-2-released

Beta 2 released a while ago, still a bit unstable, but you'd expect that:

http://errors.ubuntu.com/

[tr3nton]

Not specifically related to 12.10, but...

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/u...donations-page

Canonical have today launched a new ‘contributions’ page through which users can donate money to the Ubuntu project.

They say that the initiative will help people to ’..choose to financially support different aspects of Canonical’s work, from gaming and app, desktop, phone and tablet, to co-ordination of upstreams or supporting Ubuntu flavours.”

Canonical have offered a ‘donate’ page of sorts, though you’d have been hard-pressed to find it. From today, however, you’ll be hard-pressed to miss it!

..

Finding It is Easy

As altruistic as donating is it should never be compulsory. And although this ‘change’ means that anyone downloading Ubuntu from the official website from today onwards will be greeted with this form before their download, it is still completely optional.

Personally I find the opt-out text - ‘Not now, take me to the download’ - rather small and as it’s well below the fold of the page I worry that some users will have trouble finding it.

A direct link to the contributions page can be accessed by clicking on the button below.

Just going through the website to download, if they are insistent of presenting us with the donations page, I feel the workflow should be: Download tab at top --> Ubuntu Desktop --> Choose flavour then click Get Ubuntu --> Download begins in background and leaves the user on the donations page. Rather than having another step where you need to click a download link *yet again* ("Not now, take me to the Download").

[elvis]

Originally Posted by tr3nton

Not specifically related to 12.10, but...

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/u...donations-page



Just going through the website to download, if they are insistent of presenting us with the donations page, I feel the workflow should be: Download tab at top --> Ubuntu Desktop --> Choose flavour then click Get Ubuntu --> Download begins in background and leaves the user on the donations page. Rather than having another step where you need to click a download link *yet again* ("Not now, take me to the Download").

This is excellent. I want to contribute financially to Ubuntu, but I don't necessarily want to pay for their support options.

This is a great option! I especially love the way you can indicate where you want the money to go.