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Old 11th May 2012, 9:23 PM   #31
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oculi don't be afraid not to discount aesthetics in a fine arts forum.
sorry don't understand what you mean, i've been sick the last few weeks, i'm into my third rum and the double negative is throwing me!
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Old 11th May 2012, 9:25 PM   #32
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Rangefinders aren't for everyone. Passing judgement on something you haven't used (RF apparatus/vf for composing) is a bit rough. I'd implore you to try any competent RF out.

You might be surprised.
+1 I always had my doubts about Leicas being just overpriced cameras but after shooting with one (M6) I have to admit it was a different way of shooting and I quite enjoyed it.
The build quality of the lenses and body is just second to none.
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Old 11th May 2012, 9:32 PM   #33
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I just wish Voigtländer would get off their high horse made out of film and release a digital RF camera.
Epson RD-1? No-one understands.
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Old 11th May 2012, 9:37 PM   #34
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Epson RD-1? No-one understands.
the 6mp doesn't bother me but crop sensor? no thanks. if i could have a digi sensor in my QL-17 (and a working light meter) that would be fine.

this was quite an interesting read

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...dak-760m.shtml
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Old 11th May 2012, 9:39 PM   #35
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X-Pro1 + M-Mount adapter?
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Old 11th May 2012, 9:41 PM   #36
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X-Pro1 + M-Mount adapter?
I was looking at an X-pro1 but it doesn't look right for me (it's APSC anwyay too) if i had the money lying around i'd buy one for sure.

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Old 11th May 2012, 9:55 PM   #37
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There are things in this world that are cheap, and things in this world that are expensive.

Leica is the latter.

It's a characteristic of a free, market based economy.

Deal with it.
I have the sneaking suspicion that this specific camera could have been made by Stalin himself in a state factory in USSR and still wouldnt be much cheaper. It's just the spec, manufacturing process, tolerances etc
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I have the sneaking suspicion that this specific camera could have been made by Stalin himself in a state factory in USSR and still wouldnt be much cheaper. It's just the spec, manufacturing process, tolerances etc
People want to Walmart the world.

Jerks.
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The vast majority of owners will be those ensuring that others see them shooting with it. A B&W no-filter body makes some sense, but not for the number of people that will buy them (like all Leicas).
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^ hope you feel better after that.
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The vast majority of owners will be those ensuring that others see them shooting with it.
Ι would! fuck yeah, what's wrong with that
I love photography, and I love cameras.
very common.
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The Leica badges add $$$, like stickers add HP to a car.
There's no Leica badge on the M-Monochrom.

I like it
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oculi don't be afraid not to discount aesthetics in a fine arts forum.
...but is it modernist?

Fine arts forum?

THIS. IS. OCAU!!!
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People want to Walmart the world.

Jerks.
Stalin wouldn't have.
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I have used a Leica (recently, first time with one) and while I enjoyed the novelty of it, and the camera was nice, I just couldn't justify spending that much on that camera. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who spent as much as a large car on a camera.

Additionally, Leica is a brand revelling in its own 'schmuckery', I think phrases such as "Yeah, I'm hipster, but I wouldn't have it any other way" and "They're stuck in a time when smelling your own farts was good for your health" really help to describe about half the people who use their product.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use a range finder on a walk around, they're a lovely camera, but their not worth 8 grand, even with the quality they are built to. Bring it down to 5 and they're starting to be in the right range...

But then Leica do something like this:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/05...efinder-camera

I've bitched about this idea in the past, and they're doing it again, with the M9, and slapping a $25,000 US price tag on the box... You want some of the special edition lenses kit one? Okay, $50,000... what a bargain! For this reason, out of principal, I'd probably end up avoiding them.
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