Web Domain Name

[lethoso]

Originally Posted by ipex

far from leeches , we pay for the domain names , sometimes off the registar for $10 , other times from domain sale sites , sure we only buy the domain name to make a profit , why the hell else do you do anything , everyone buys and sells to make a proft , be it a supermarket , a computer shop , the guy down trash and tresure or a domain seller
eg: if you have ever been to an clearance auction , there are guys that will buy up anything and everything just to resell it for a profit , friend of mine goes to these auctions all the time , one deal he got was a jar full of pennies/half pennies etc , he brought the jar for $40 , just one coin alone he sold for $50 , is he a leech?

Your penny buying friend is offering the advantage of opening a local good up to a wider market. It isn't feasible for a coin collector to visit every little auction on the chance of finding a jar of pennies, so him paying a premium to obtain a penny is paying for a useful service (that of opening goods to a wider market).

Buying domains fails pretty hard on that front - it's a digital good, there is no distribution benefit for someone buying a domain from you compared to buying it from a registrar - it's actually easier to buy it from a registrar.

[ipex]

Originally Posted by lethoso

Your penny buying friend is offering the advantage of opening a local good up to a wider market. It isn't feasible for a coin collector to visit every little auction on the chance of finding a jar of pennies, so him paying a premium to obtain a penny is paying for a useful service (that of opening goods to a wider market).

Buying domains fails pretty hard on that front - it's a digital good, there is no distribution benefit for someone buying a domain from you compared to buying it from a registrar - it's actually easier to buy it from a registrar.

can't get it from the registar when i have the lease/licence to the domain name

[Zzapped]

People like you are whats wrong with this world Ipex.....domain squatters are just a disgrace.....

[PabloEscobar]

Originally Posted by ipex

domain names have never been about seo, it's been about top of the mind awareness , eg: saying to someone google it and instantly someone knows to type google.com

Mind awareness is more about branding than the actual URL though.

Originally Posted by lethoso

Your penny buying friend is offering the advantage of opening a local good up to a wider market. It isn't feasible for a coin collector to visit every little auction on the chance of finding a jar of pennies, so him paying a premium to obtain a penny is paying for a useful service (that of opening goods to a wider market).

Buying domains fails pretty hard on that front - it's a digital good, there is no distribution benefit for someone buying a domain from you compared to buying it from a registrar - it's actually easier to buy it from a registrar.

Domain squatters provide a service of holding onto a domain for you.

I didn't know I needed Widget.com for my uber-business idea until today.

If a Squatter didn't register it, a real company might have, and then I would have much less chance of getting it.

Because it's registered by a squatter, When I buy it from them, I pay a premium for the service of them knowing what I needed before I needed it, and registering it to prevent someone else doing so .


I don't agree with the stupid prices some of them ask for domains though.

[power]

Originally Posted by PabloEscobar

Domain squatters provide a service of holding onto a domain for you.

I didn't know I needed Widget.com for my uber-business idea until today.

If a Squatter didn't register it, a real company might have, and then I would have much less chance of getting it.

Because it's registered by a squatter, When I buy it from them, I pay a premium for the service of them knowing what I needed before I needed it, and registering it to prevent someone else doing so .


I don't agree with the stupid prices some of them ask for domains though.

wow, so we should totally thank them instead of saying they are trying to profit by sitting on domains.

Do yourself a favour OP and just don't put the domain into a domain search because most of those searches identify that someone is interested in that domain and then they buy it and sit on it.

I maintain domain squatters are bottom feeders.

[PabloEscobar]

Originally Posted by power

I maintain domain squatters are bottom feeders.

I agree , but they should be no more or less hated than other bottom feeders such as Stock Brokers and Bankers .

[ipex]

Originally Posted by power

wow, so we should totally thank them instead of saying they are trying to profit by sitting on domains.

Do yourself a favour OP and just don't put the domain into a domain search because most of those searches identify that someone is interested in that domain and then they buy it and sit on it.

I maintain domain squatters are bottom feeders.

isn't that what registars do , profit by sitting on domain names ?
look at the gtlds $180k for an application 25K for a yearly licence
even that is set out by ICANN (which is the biggest profit maker)

[ysu]

Originally Posted by ipex

isn't that what registars do , profit by sitting on domain names ?
look at the gtlds $180k for an application 25K for a yearly licence
even that is set out by ICANN (which is the biggest profit maker)

What you disregard here is that they provide a service, organise the whole system, and take a decent profit, sure.

Buying something for $5 and trying to sell it for $5000 ... you can't say it's bad business, but it's a rather nasty one, as most people agree. I'd not have the gall to do that, that's for sure. It feels a bit like exploiting/stealing.

Oh, and of course the service element is completely missing here as well.

[Zoltag]

Originally Posted by PabloEscobar

Domain squatters provide a service of holding onto a domain for you.

Not the ones that immediately register domains that the original owners accidentally allow to lapse. when that happens, its essentially blackmail.

Not the ones that register a dozen similarly named domains (or the .com, .org, .net etc versions of your actual domain) and use them as ad launch pages until they manage to blackmail money out of you for the damage they have done to your brand.

Need I go on?

[Zoltag]

Originally Posted by ipex

isn't that what registars do , profit by sitting on domain names ?
look at the gtlds $180k for an application 25K for a yearly licence
even that is set out by ICANN (which is the biggest profit maker)

It means that TLDs will be limited to large companies / large internet presences. Domain squatters wont be able to afford to register hundreds or thousands of TLDs, with the aim of extorting money out of parties with legitimate claims to the domain name(s).

Yeah, its a lot of money for an individual, but when you compare it against the balance sheets of the prospective purchasers, it really is a drop in the bucket, not even chump change.

[power]

Originally Posted by ipex

isn't that what registars do , profit by sitting on domain names ?
look at the gtlds $180k for an application 25K for a yearly licence
even that is set out by ICANN (which is the biggest profit maker)

Originally Posted by ysu

What you disregard here is that they provide a service, organise the whole system, and take a decent profit, sure.

Buying something for $5 and trying to sell it for $5000 ... you can't say it's bad business, but it's a rather nasty one, as most people agree. I'd not have the gall to do that, that's for sure. It feels a bit like exploiting/stealing.

Oh, and of course the service element is completely missing here as well.

yeah, someone's going to do the leeching domain squatters just do it, it's like speculative stock traders - they don't contribute anything to society they just leech off money that's there to be leeched off of.

[ikonz0r]

Just register an alternative.

for example if you wanted www.mybusiness.com.au

Try

www.mybusiness.net.au
www.my-business.com.au
www.my-business.com.au
www.mbus.com.au
www.mbusiness.com.au
www.mbusiness.net.au
www.m-business.net.au

etc..

[PabloEscobar]

Originally Posted by ikonz0r

Just register an alternative.

for example if you wanted www.mybusiness.com.au

Try

www.mybusiness.net.au
www.my-business.com.au
www.my-business.com.au
www.mbus.com.au
www.mbusiness.com.au
www.mbusiness.net.au
www.m-business.net.au

etc..

I don't really like the use of punctuation, or numbers (or things that sound like numbers) in Domain names. It means that you have to see it written down to know where to go.

ie. If I had the domain name for-you.com, and told you to go to it, you might try any combination of

4-u
four-u
four-you
for-u

and so on.

Hyphens make passing on a domain name verbally even even more difficult.

In my example above, I could have said my domain name is

"for dash you dot com"
"for hyphen you dot com"
"for minus you dot com"

and so on, and once again, a person would be unsure of the dash being spelt out, or the hyphen symbol.

The amount of radio advertising I hear with ambiguous domain names is ridonkulous. If I was a Domain Squatter, who squatted to generate ad revenue from Typo's... these are the domains I'd be targetting.

[ipex]

Originally Posted by PabloEscobar

The amount of radio advertising I hear with ambiguous domain names is ridonkulous. If I was a Domain Squatter, who squatted to generate ad revenue from Typo's... these are the domains I'd be targetting.

have done that in the past , used typo error domains and shoved leader sites up or sold off traffic

[PabloEscobar]

Originally Posted by ipex

have done that in the past , used typo error domains and shoved leader sites up or sold off traffic

How does "selling off traffic" work, say Company4X advertises, and you have CompanyForX.com registered.

Does companyY pay you to redirect traffic to them? how much and is it worthwhile?