Microsoft launches revamped Hotmail after 8 years

[thebranded]

Originally Posted by power

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Metro and 8 for the record are crap and I hate them, but doing so makes me a huurrrr according to you (I'm sorry but Gabe Newell and Blizzard agree with ME - not YOU). 8 has many behind the scenes features that are good but when you shove Metro in my face I'm sorry - you lost me....

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i was under the impression that both Valve and Blizzard did not like the Windows market place/store part of Win8 not Metro. After all Metro has nothing to do with how you play a game. But the MS Store will by pass Steam and currently does not allow 3rd parties to join.

Although i have not been up to date on this side of things.

Also for thoses using android and what a proper app to access Outlook.com download the officail Hotmail app and sync your Outlook.com email to it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...tmail.Z7&hl=en

i have not use the officail Outlook.com app, but the Hotmail app allows for full off line viewing of emails, sort/search/move between folders,/multipule email accounts as well as a combine inbox.

[power]

Originally Posted by thebranded

i was under the impression that both Valve and Blizzard did not like the Windows market place/store part of Win8 not Metro. After all Metro has nothing to do with how you play a game. But the MS Store will by pass Steam and currently does not allow 3rd parties to join.

Although i have not been up to date on this side of things.

Also for thoses using android and what a proper app to access Outlook.com download the officail Hotmail app and sync your Outlook.com email to it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...tmail.Z7&hl=en

i have not use the officail Outlook.com app, but the Hotmail app allows for full off line viewing of emails, sort/search/move between folders,/multipule email accounts as well as a combine inbox.

And who can blame them, the way the store seems to be heading it will squeeze third parties out - it's anticompetitive and you can guarantee there will be lawsuits in Europe, other stores will have to be front and center in the in your face Metro front end and unless they already have some sort of traction (Origin/Steam) then because Metro is so in your face users are unlikely to look past the Live Marketplace (my only experiences with it have been average at best when buying DLC for Arkham City through Games for Windows Live). This is why Newell is so against the way the store is presented imo, No-one looks twice at Apple though so I guess Microsoft are just taking queues from them - lol.

As far as the app goes there is no outlook.com app and as someone who's been using the Hotmail app for a few months it's functional but not great. The phone version is identical to the tablet version as well.

[hdkhang]

Originally Posted by power

And who can blame them, the way the store seems to be heading it will squeeze third parties out - it's anticompetitive and you can guarantee there will be lawsuits in Europe, other stores will have to be front and center in the in your face Metro front end and unless they already have some sort of traction (Origin/Steam) then because Metro is so in your face users are unlikely to look past the Live Marketplace (my only experiences with it have been average at best when buying DLC for Arkham City through Games for Windows Live). This is why Newell is so against the way the store is presented imo, No-one looks twice at Apple though so I guess Microsoft are just taking queues from them - lol.

As far as the app goes there is no outlook.com app and as someone who's been using the Hotmail app for a few months it's functional but not great. The phone version is identical to the tablet version as well.

You have an obvious bias and will go far beyond the call of duty to dig up other opinions to back up your opinions. That's fine.

But really, windows is windows is windows. Steam works just fine in windows 8. Valve just doesn't like competition, it is quite obvious they feel threatened. Windows 8 app store is new, it is not the size of say Apple's iTunes store, and yet you don't see people making the same complaints against Apple... why is that? Simple... irrational hatred of all things Microsoft. How do you suppose the web goes around? Ads make money, more clicks means more ads served etc. So at the end of the day, if there is enough to drive traffic, people will report whatever they want in whatever slant they want in order to drive traffic.

Here's a link for you:
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...27-2012-143823

if you can't be bothered clicking:

"f you’re looking for evidence of the tech media bias against Microsoft in general and Windows 8 in particular, look no further than a recent interview with Valve’s Gabe Newell. The video game maker behind the hit games Half-Life and Left 4 Dead discussed his take on the future of computing, including a very interesting bit about how the multi-touch interfaces we’re all so in love with today are really just a temporary step on the path toward true natural user interfaces (NUIs). But that’s not what the tech blogosphere wrote about. No, the entire Internet was apparently transfixed by his quickie comment that Windows 8 was a “catastrophe.” Sadly, they misquoted even that bit. What Newell really meant was that Windows 8 was bad for content creators like him—who, like him, have online services (Steam, in Valve’s case) that compete with services (like Xbox LIVE) that are built in to Windows 8. Newell is so nervous that Xbox LIVE will kill Steam that he’s even porting Steam to Linux so that he can sop up all seven users over there too. And you know what? That is a story. It’s just not the one you read this week. The one you read was also a story. But it was a science fiction story."

So how it's just an opinion? But it differs from yours... so no. Let's not argue opinions and stick to the facts. Fact is, Outlook.com is new, 1 million people signed up to it on day 1, MS considers it a success, many people like it, many people don't. It works well for many people, it doesn't work well for others (worked fine for me at home btw, but that stupid banner ad at the top messes the UI so I have no intention of testing it out in any capacity until it is fixed). If all you did was come into this thread and state your experiences and note that you will stick to gmail as many many people will do (myself included for the time being - i never say never), then you won't have received the flack... but instead you decide that you know it all and that MS is up to it's old evil tricks of gimping other browsers again. Your 1 data point does not make it so.

[Everlong]

Hey, I'm trying to set up an account but it keeps rejecting my international phone number. What way did you guys put it in? I know that you usually drop the 0 and add +61 so it's +61438 xxx xxx but regardless of the combinations and spacings I use they all get an error.

[power]

Originally Posted by Everlong

Hey, I'm trying to set up an account but it keeps rejecting my international phone number. What way did you guys put it in? I know that you usually drop the 0 and add +61 so it's +61438 xxx xxx but regardless of the combinations and spacings I use they all get an error.

You don't have to input a phone number if you don't want to use and alternate email addy and a secret question.

You might be able to edit the profile after created.

[thebranded]

Originally Posted by power

And who can blame them, the way the store seems to be heading it will squeeze third parties out - it's anticompetitive and you can guarantee there will be lawsuits in Europe, other stores will have to be front and center in the in your face Metro front end and unless they already have some sort of traction (Origin/Steam) then because Metro is so in your face users are unlikely to look past the Live Marketplace (my only experiences with it have been average at best when buying DLC for Arkham City through Games for Windows Live). This is why Newell is so against the way the store is presented imo, No-one looks twice at Apple though so I guess Microsoft are just taking queues from them - lol.

The only reason that MS has ever been targeted for being anticompetitive is because they have such a huge market share. If Apple or google or linux become as big (not dollarwise, im talking actual machine in use) they will face the same legal action as MS.

Every Apple machine comes with Safari. Apple has Itunes store, Google has its app store, why cant MS have its store?

As for the 3rd party access. Just reading on wiki (fastest site to get a summary) 3rd parties have full access to the MS Store. The only restriction that MS has it for Metro apps you have to use the MS store. Which is exactly the same as Apple and Google.

There is nothing worse that MS is doing that Apple and Google have already done.

As mentioned earlier, Value and Blizzard have nothing against Metro. They do not want competition to their own store. Therefore they will say absolutely everything they can to discredit the MS Store and everything connected to it.

If Ubuntu had its own store, Value would target them as well.

Originally Posted by power

As far as the app goes there is no outlook.com app and as someone who's been using the Hotmail app for a few months it's functional but not great. The phone version is identical to the tablet version as well.

Is there anything that the Hotmail app can not do with a outlook.com email account? Essentially all they need to do is rebrand the Hotmail app as outlook.com and change the color scheme. (if MS does that, we’ll have to wait and see)

Apart from reading and replying emails and moving between folders I don’t do any other email related activities on my phone. So the Hotmail app has worked fine.

[Wolfje]

Tried it in Chrome on OSX and signed in with my very old @live.com email.

Absolutely nothing in the inbox, and everything was misaligned and ended up with shit everywhere.

meh. Back to gmail.

[power]

Originally Posted by thebranded

Apart from reading and replying emails and moving between folders I don’t do any other email related activities on my phone. So the Hotmail app has worked fine.

I said functional not great and stand by that statement.

[Everlong]

Originally Posted by power

You don't have to input a phone number if you don't want to use and alternate email addy and a secret question.

You might be able to edit the profile after created.

Thanks Power that worked but I'm now getting an error saying I have set up too many accounts now, even tho I have yet to create one...

[thebranded]

Originally Posted by Wolfje

Tried it in Chrome on OSX and signed in with my very old @live.com email.

Absolutely nothing in the inbox, and everything was misaligned and ended up with shit everywhere.

meh. Back to gmail.

Never even though to log in via an existing account!
Tried a hotmail account Via Opera on an Android phone and it worked fine. All folders were accessible, and page reformatted to suit the screen.

Outlook.com site certainly works on Opera 12 on android (GB).

Originally Posted by power

I said functional not great and stand by that statement.

Yep, saw that. and essentially agree.

only two "feature" that i have missed about it has been the lack of being able to select multipule emails and then move tham all at once to a different folder and not able to sync emails from greater than 30 days.

Some people would like options for skins too i guess.

[Wolfje]

Originally Posted by thebranded

Never even though to log in via an existing account!
Tried a hotmail account Via Opera on an Android phone and it worked fine. All folders were accessible, and page reformatted to suit the screen.

Mine was completely blank, the content area was mooshed under the menu about 50px upwards, there was a few buttons on the menu but mostly bare.

If I have to screw with it it's pretty much not worth it -- it's a webmail client and they have been around for years and years and not a new concept. If they can't do it properly then meh.

Edit: Check out http://us.tw.id.au/Images/outlookfail.png

[thebranded]

at work i can not test (hence why i used my phone)

will try at home in a few hours (or tomorrow)

[roger895]

Originally Posted by Wolfje

Mine was completely blank, the content area was mooshed under the menu about 50px upwards, there was a few buttons on the menu but mostly bare.

If I have to screw with it it's pretty much not worth it -- it's a webmail client and they have been around for years and years and not a new concept. If they can't do it properly then meh.

Edit: Check out http://us.tw.id.au/Images/outlookfail.png

I had a similar issue, haven't looked at it since.

I like the idea of aliases (which I guess is how they're sort of doing the "if you change to an @outlook.com address, you will continue to recieve mail on the @hotmail.com address).

I dont like it. I also don't like the new look Outlook 2013 client (read, outlook 2010, but a white shitty theme and metro'd to match W8).

I'm yet to try the Lync 2013 client yet. it better be good.

/rant

[fredhoon]

Originally Posted by Wolfje

Mine was completely blank, the content area was mooshed under the menu about 50px upwards, there was a few buttons on the menu but mostly bare.

If I have to screw with it it's pretty much not worth it -- it's a webmail client and they have been around for years and years and not a new concept. If they can't do it properly then meh.

Edit: Check out http://us.tw.id.au/Images/outlookfail.png

I've just signed up and have the same issue as your picture, in IE no less. Public beta testing?

[Reaper]

Been playing with it for the last couple of days. Goes good enough. I live in hotmail a lot, this isn't too bad a transition. Aside from the facebook and tweet garbage that pops up from time to time on the right hand pane, it's all good, yes, I know I can turn it off, but that also turned off the in built messenger. Threaded conversations and the ability to chat, all good. I clicked on skydrive yesterday, it set up three folders for me. I have limited requirements for it, but It'll be better than just emailing stuff to myself, which is what I used to do. Be good to keep a copy of my resume there for example.

Gmail I loath. I havn't even logged into it for about a year now, before then was a couple of years without logging in. It's nothing but thousands of spam messages. I only used it while I was at qut. Hotmail has always been better in that regard. Always.