3.06 performance at [H]: do we miss something? - Page 3

chainbolt · 15th November 2002, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by eva2000
that really does suck.. i saw the original 3dmark scores they posted as well and can't believe they're doing this... hard to believe it's the same Kyle who i helped last year with his vB forum performance issues. Even editing/updating their review saying they reran and revised the benchmarks would be better than what they've done now

I'm "sad" to be honest. Mistakes can happen, really, but this kind of treatment and shabby attemps to cover it up are at such a low level, I never thought this to be possible at a site like www.hardocp.com

I hope that after a cooling down period they come at least with a kind of explanation.

nutty · 15th November 2002, 12:47 PM

there is a reply from [H] about this
http://www.hardforums.com/showthread...5&pagenumber=2

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I fully stand by our results. We test on systems with fresh installs and no other software piled on. The latest patches from MS and the latest drivers we can lay our hands on.

Our scores are verified and repeatable. I have seen sites report no differences to big differences that we did not see. It is going to be interesting to see how HT washes out in real world apps on real desktops for sure.

One thing I know for sure is that HT is not inherently "bad". Once we see applications programmed with it in mind, the results will be even better

vbhard · 15th November 2002, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by chainbolt

I'm "sad" to be honest.

I hope that after a cooling down period they come at least with a kind of explanation.

Yes I am sad as well but at the same time did they even try a different cpu since as per the response from them they have reinstalled os and patches but keeping the same chip.

aLpHaEv7 · 15th November 2002, 1:04 PM

maybe they have a [H]ard-Catalyst ATI driver

Roundhead44 · 15th November 2002, 1:31 PM

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Originally posted by Bravo

Perhaps

As i told Chainbolt via PM, a correction without notification of the problem has simply compounded the error, and painted [H] in the worst light. Even a footnote explaining the error would have been better then an apology, and an outright correction.

agree 100% bravo. well now steve looks like a bit of a turkey... well actually, he's been a turkey for a while

as chainy said, changing the results without comment after everyone else's results have been published is very "fishy".

Roundhead44 · 15th November 2002, 1:36 PM

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Originally posted by chainbolt
This is a disgrace. I just found out that I and everybody who questioned their test results have been banned from {H}.
My post was in no way inpolite, I was just quesitioning and asking for an expalanation. Now, I think it's not necessary to comment on this. It'a all clear now: they manipulated their result and got caught in the act, and are now trying to cover it up by silencing everybody who is pointing at the affair.

this is what happened to everyone who questioned steve's waterblocking comparison testing methods.

i'm actually not going back there again - i used to pretty much ignore all of the reviews and just read the frontpage news... but i'm not going to make those clowns any more richer with my hits.

edit: hmmm, maybe just one more time to get banned

A||uSiOn · 15th November 2002, 1:45 PM

http://www.hardforums.com/showthread...5&pagenumber=3

WTF!

Take a look now....

"
You saved that picture the other day??? That is amazing, the review was posted less than 24hrs ago...EVERY review was posted less than 24 hours ago.

the review was posted this last night.

Your picture is a fake, I am flat out telling you your picture is fake, and you posted it intentionally to start trouble. Not sure what axe you are trying to grind.... but lying and saying you saved the picture the "other day" wasn't to smart."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at teh last post by steve - he's telling everyone to fuck themselves! lollllllll

HGe's stooped low at toms hardware
lol

Vow · 15th November 2002, 1:47 PM

And again...

http://www.hardforums.com/showthread...post1024068466

Anyone else grabbing the popcorn?

Edit: A||uSiOn beat me to it!

Roundhead44 · 15th November 2002, 1:50 PM

heh, the thread's been deleted. it's a cover-up that kind of reminds me of the soviet union's antics 30-40 years ago... or even the americans now

credibility at hardocp is now lost. people are gonna start bagging them like they bag tomshardware.

gotta love it

TheGameguru · 15th November 2002, 1:54 PM

I'm done with hardocp... after this debacle.. I would have stayed if they had even at least just come out with a "sorry we screwed up" post.. but to try to cover it up and come up with lame reasons on people getting fake charts is just pathetic.

In any case...this looks like a nice place

Roundhead44 · 15th November 2002, 1:55 PM

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Originally posted by TheGameguru
In any case...this looks like a nice place

mate, it is!

welcome aboard.

Lasuuco · 15th November 2002, 2:03 PM

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Originally posted by Lombers
Thank god for IE6 cache This is what the graph posted above looked like:

Not to say its false, or true.. but I was just wondering if that is actually your IE6 cache of the picture?

It seems to me that it is much wider than the one currently on the review page, and also if you zoom in it has been compressed with what looks like MSPaint, because it is not as clear cut around the edges...

Just wondering..

statix · 15th November 2002, 2:14 PM

Off topic from [H] matter:

I thought that Johan's review on www.aceshardware.com is very good and show something else that other sites don't mention about.

Anyone else?

char · 15th November 2002, 2:20 PM

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Originally posted by Lasuuco

Not to say its false, or true.. but I was just wondering if that is actually your IE6 cache of the picture?

It seems to me that it is much wider than the one currently on the review page, and also if you zoom in it has been compressed with what looks like MSPaint, because it is not as clear cut around the edges...

Just wondering..

^^ I got the same pic in my cache too dude, it's very real

Vow · 15th November 2002, 2:23 PM

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Originally posted by Lasuuco

Not to say its false, or true.. but I was just wondering if that is actually your IE6 cache of the picture?

It seems to me that it is much wider than the one currently on the review page, and also if you zoom in it has been compressed with what looks like MSPaint, because it is not as clear cut around the edges...

Just wondering..

Check it yourself against another [H] member here.

15th November 2002, 1:04 PM	#34
aLpHaEv7 Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: M'sia / S'pore / Melbourne Posts: 976	maybe they have a [H]ard-Catalyst ATI driver __________________ eXtremeoverclocker#11

15th November 2002, 1:45 PM	#37
A\|\|uSiOn Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: NSW - SYDNEY Posts: 776	http://www.hardforums.com/showthread...5&pagenumber=3 WTF! Take a look now.... " You saved that picture the other day??? That is amazing, the review was posted less than 24hrs ago...EVERY review was posted less than 24 hours ago. the review was posted this last night. Your picture is a fake, I am flat out telling you your picture is fake, and you posted it intentionally to start trouble. Not sure what axe you are trying to grind.... but lying and saying you saved the picture the "other day" wasn't to smart." LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at teh last post by steve - he's telling everyone to fuck themselves! lollllllll HGe's stooped low at toms hardware lol __________________ Dedicated Servers Our Dedicated Server Listings. www.olusive.com.au Australia's Best online dating site coming soon!!!!

15th November 2002, 1:47 PM	#38
Vow Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Melbourne Posts: 628	And again... http://www.hardforums.com/showthread...post1024068466 Anyone else grabbing the popcorn? Edit: A\|\|uSiOn beat me to it! __________________ The world is round?!? Last edited by Vow; 15th November 2002 at 1:48 PM.

15th November 2002, 1:50 PM	#39
Roundhead44 Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: brisbane, australia Posts: 931	heh, the thread's been deleted. it's a cover-up that kind of reminds me of the soviet union's antics 30-40 years ago... or even the americans now credibility at hardocp is now lost. people are gonna start bagging them like they bag tomshardware. gotta love it __________________ my government does not speak for me.

15th November 2002, 1:54 PM	#40
TheGameguru Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Paoli, PA Posts: 15	I'm done with hardocp... after this debacle.. I would have stayed if they had even at least just come out with a "sorry we screwed up" post.. but to try to cover it up and come up with lame reasons on people getting fake charts is just pathetic. In any case...this looks like a nice place

15th November 2002, 2:14 PM	#43
statix Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Victoria 3145 Posts: 360	Off topic from [H] matter: I thought that Johan's review on www.aceshardware.com is very good and show something else that other sites don't mention about. Anyone else?