tv tuner card

[Xizor]

Meh @ analogue cards.

I have the VisionPlus Digital TV card from Digitalnow.com.au - I'm not ever looking back!

I used an analogue Hauppage (arguably the best, especially in terms of driver and 3rd party software) card for several years and it was excellent. Rock solid in every aspect. But Digital is a new ball game all together ladies and gentleman.

[aresaid]

What software do you use to record, and what CPU do you need to record at it's full potential?
I have a Duron 1gig@1.195 and I am wanting to record on this box. Is it good enough or not?
I don't mind if I use minimal compression during recording, for later DivX compression, but it must not skip frames and stuff.
Also, how much did you pay for your digital tuner?
Ah, and I assume all channels are offered on Digital as well? ABC, SBS, 9, 10 and 7?

[DaveQB]

Originally posted by FranchiseJuan
I purchased one of those Prolink cards (Play TV HD) with the new coaxiant chip, and while it works, the drivers and software is pritty bad as it does not even deinterlace! Trying to get it to work under Dscaler fully at the moment. Even non delinterlaced, the picture from the PS2 is better then the Leadtech TV 2000.

Yes, the bundled software isnt worth ya time.
As far as i know, most TV Cards cant Deinterlace at the hardware level

All deinterlacing is done through the capture software.

This way you are able to capture both fields and gain maximum quality before post processing.

For watching i use the Cyberlink Deinterlace filter with Virtual VCR
and of course turn that filter off for capturing.

[DaveQB]

Originally posted by aresaid
What software do you use to record, and what CPU do you need to record at it's full potential?
I have a Duron 1gig@1.195 and I am wanting to record on this box. Is it good enough or not?
I don't mind if I use minimal compression during recording, for later DivX compression, but it must not skip frames and stuff.
Also, how much did you pay for your digital tuner?
Ah, and I assume all channels are offered on Digital as well? ABC, SBS, 9, 10 and 7?

i cant answer your digital questions but..

for capturing theres two extreme's

capturing using no or lossless compression such as HuffyUV or MJPEG [20] will result in
- best quality
- large file
requires
-little CPU power
-very good data throughtput, such as 8mg cache HDD or a RAID 0 set-up like i use.

or capturing to a lossy codec such as XviD, WMV, DivX
results in

- small files
- less quality but still very good if done well
- high CPU power needed

throughput isnt as much of an issue as your capturing at less then 1mb/sec (lossless can be from 22mb/sec - 11mb/sec)


i hope this makes sense

[Xizor]

Originally posted by aresaid
What software do you use to record, and what CPU do you need to record at it's full potential?
I have a Duron 1gig@1.195 and I am wanting to record on this box. Is it good enough or not?
I don't mind if I use minimal compression during recording, for later DivX compression, but it must not skip frames and stuff.
Also, how much did you pay for your digital tuner?
Ah, and I assume all channels are offered on Digital as well? ABC, SBS, 9, 10 and 7?

The Digital card i have costs around $300-$330. Yes, all channels are in Digital + a few more (ie channel with guide for the days viewing, weather etc + little bonus things). However Digital is dependant on whether or not you can currently receive it at your location, and also your cabling etc can play a factor. Good thing is, recording is piss easy. Record straight to mpeg2 - although it takes a shitload of space thanks to the bitrate of SD and HDTV. If its something ya wanna keep after watching it, ya can divx it or make a svcd etc... Personally, i have not bothered doing this yet as i have 400GB of storage space.

Your Duron will be fine to record analogue. I used to do it on a P3 700@933. You will probably want to do it to a codec like mjpeg (quality 19) to start with, then divx it afterwards. I always used Virtual Dub to capture and encode my files when i had my analogue card. I'm not sure how the Duron will handle a full res capture, probably better if you tested yourself to see what i can handle without incurring alot of dropped frames/audio sync problems. Regardless, ya never make a divx at full broadcast res anyway. Most of my captures got resized to 512x384 when i encoded them.

[Xizor]

Dont mean to be knit picky, but mjpeg even at 20 is not lossless. MJPEG [20] is not the same as using huffyuv - they are very different codecs.

[dvine]

i suppose the main question i have now is?

With the CX23880 on the tv2000xp will this be any good for ps2 or xbox?

[G-PhresH]

ok then what are your recommendations for a tv tuner card....something that isnt more than say $100?

-Gaz

[DaveQB]

Originally posted by G-PhresH
ok then what are your recommendations for a tv tuner card....something that isnt more than say $100?

-Gaz

i vote for the PixelView PlayTV HD

i got it for $94 @ MatrixMicro,
their down your way too!

[DaveQB]

Originally posted by Xizor
Dont mean to be knit picky, but mjpeg even at 20 is not lossless. MJPEG [20] is not the same as using huffyuv - they are very different codecs.

well i thought that, but i was rebutted in other forums, claiming that MJPEG (PICvideo) @ 20 has ~ the same data transfer rate as huffyUV, i cant deny that one

to quote a site

2:1 with MJPEG is lossless............compression of 4:1 or better is considered lossless for most purposes. 2:1 is lossless.

[Xizor]

Originally posted by DaveQB
well i thought that, but i was rebutted in other forums, claiming that MJPEG (PICvideo) @ 20 has ~ the same data transfer rate as huffyUV, i cant deny that one

to quote a site

What forums? Many forums are filled with idiots. I specifically remember my good old days (about 2 years ago) in the avs forums - MJPEG at 20 is not the same as HUFFYUV. I'm sure its very close, perhaps MJPEG has changed since i last bothered using it (i doubt it), but it is not true lossless ie HUFFYUV.

So what if it has a similiar data rate? So do some other uncompressed codecs. Stick with HUFFYUV for lossless caps.

[DaveQB]

Originally posted by Xizor
What forums?

Doom9, DVDRhelp/SVCDhelp

So what if it has a similiar data rate? So do some other uncompressed codecs. Stick with HUFFYUV for lossless caps.

depends on how much ya disk space you have left.

i use MJPEG for caps that i will delete after watching, looks nice, but doesnt take up too much space, comparitivly

[chainbolt]

Originally posted by G-PhresH
ok then what are your recommendations for a tv tuner card....something that isnt more than say $100?

-Gaz

did you have a look at the front page? There is a review.