Overclocking Bible and Guidemania: Post your questions here! - Page 3

MrSeanKon · 25th June 2005, 5:11 AM

Step 4:
We continued similar and found (MSF3, Vcore3) + (MSF4, Vcore4).
O/c Analyzer exponents (MSF1 - MSF4):

O/c Analyzer find freq/FSB:

It is obviously why I put n=0.48.
We expect that new n < 0.48.

AMD desktop CPU speed estimator supports 1 - 3 reference points.
Why not four?
What can you do now?
Internal computations with four or five reference points did not give significant precision in the past.
OK I cannot say more about this it is hard to present the algorithms.
General rule
If you have found four reference points then in AMD desktop CPU speed estimator you should input values for 2nd, 3rd and 4th points not 1st, 2nd and 3rd or 1st, 2nd or 4th.
Similar if you have found five reference points you should input values for 3rd, 4th and 5th reference points not for 1st, 2nd and 3rd or 2nd, 4th and 5th and so on.
The answer base on Numerical Analysis theorems but it is beyond of my scope to explain why this or that etc...
So we BAN LOL 1st point and we input data now:

Note that possibilities values are greater than before.
6th region predicts [2469, 2513] but O/c analyzer says that 2495 is the MSF4 --> BAN LOL -->
2469 < MSF5 < 2495MHz.
I started 11X227=2497MHz and CPU was unstable after at 11 X 226 CPU passed the quick CPU stability test so MSF5=2483MHz!.
Just two tries!
Oh my what a waste time!

Conclusion
BAN method RULEZ!

Voltus · 1st September 2005, 6:10 PM

damn..

some people think they are smart..

and some people are smart..

but you..

youre a damn genius!!

zoki_007 · 1st September 2005, 7:10 PM

man this all seems to confusing for me to do

MrSeanKon · 1st September 2005, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltus

some people think they are smart...

If someone says "Well I know anything or I am a great scientist etc" then he/she is stupid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltus

and some people are smart..

I agree; for example Einstein, Gauss, Maxwell etc...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltus

but you..
youre a damn genius!!

Thanks my friend

but my total mark when I finished school here in Greece was 13.5

the excellent is 20

...
In addition I was not a good student at University....

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoki_007

man this all seems to confusing for me to do

Just a moment!
First don't panic!
Relax!
Anything new is difficult in the beggining!
So you may work with programs suitable for novices/begginers.
It is not necessary to have a Ph.D. in pure Mathematics to study this program.
I am not a Mathematician; I am a bad Electrical Engineer.

Anyway if you have any questions please post free.
I would like to help everyone and improve this program.

signguyhuss · 3rd September 2005, 8:12 PM

This is gonna sound -real- st00pid but i have 2 questions.

1.Is it safe/accurate to check Voltage across the molex connectors with PSu switched on and plugged into the computer and with everything turned on] ?

2. I know from electrical classes that Voltage must be measured across something, ie the Multimeter is connected in paraellel to a load. But by plugging it into the molex connector, wouldnt that make it in series? What happens there?

Cheers

MrSeanKon · 3rd September 2005, 9:33 PM

signguyhuss as I said above your feedback is acceptable.
No one knows anything/everything.

Answers:
1) Yes all voltages are measured when system is on.
Moreover at full load e.g. running a stability program or a game/video compression etc...
It is very important to see voltage differences between full load and idle state.
My Enermax outputs 12.16V at idle (when CPU utilization is 0%) and 12.14 at full load.
2) No. As you can see photos again (first page) I measured PSU voltages so it is parallel connection.
When you make a parallel connection then you measure voltages always.
Series connection is for measuring Amperes but you don't need to measure them.

MrSeanKon · 28th September 2005, 7:18 AM

Other tool for A64 users is A64 o/c suggester click here

New beta version of A64 o/c suggester is available!
Click on link above and enjoy!

New version of O/c Bible v1.42 supports 939 processors.
Enjoy!

Assasinator_2 · 28th September 2005, 11:50 PM

I like the new layout. The only suggestion I'd have is to have the sub-menus disappear if the mouse isn't in the box thing that contains all the options of that submenu. Maybe have it on a timer, so after 1 second of not having the mouse in there, that box disappears. Of course, if you're in a submenu of a submenu, the first submenu will not disappear, if you get what I mean.

I havn't got enough data to punch numbers wiht this program, but i threw in some random numbers to see how it worked. It seems good, save the fact that you need to label and give tooltips to your buttons so everyone knows which one does what. Ie: under the CPU speed window, the 'button panel' buttons aren not labelled. I'm just assuming that you havn't yet got around to labelling them.

Perhaps a bit more detail in the help would be handy, with labelled buttons so people know which ones to press.

Also, on that submenu, there was no 'close' button. I had to close the entire program to close the subwindows.

Edit: Wait, I look in the main help and it tells me what the buttons do! One of htem is a close button! However, this highlights my point of that you need to label them inside the program, and not just in the help file.

Also, as a side note, put them somewhere else other than in the centre. They just look randomly placed there, and not polished or neat.

Hope that helps! Keep up the awesome work!

MrSeanKon · 30th September 2005, 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Assasinator_2

the sub-menus disappear if the mouse isn't in the box thing that contains all the options of that submenu.

Well this suggestion messed me...

Could you be more specific?
Or post some screen captures or if you program make a simple demo to understand 100% what you mean.

Start button interface behaves like Start button in Windows XP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Assasinator_2

with labelled buttons so people know which ones to press.

OK as you read the main help explanation of 5 control box button is obvious and easy to remember!
It is too boring to add 5 * 31 = 155 labels to all forms and 155 more hints for something easy.
You see a brush --> means something is going to be cleared.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Assasinator_2

Also, as a side note, put them somewhere else other than in the centre. They just look randomly placed there, and not polished or neat.

You mean for control box in all forms?
Where you prefer?
Top?
Bottom?
Middle and bottom?

I must resize then all forms...

In addition any form has different inputs/outputs so it is not easy to appear all forms similar.
My main mention is to make any form as small size as it can be.

Questions:
1) I assume that you are Start button fan and you don't care for 3 buttons interface (a user at PcPer forums loves this).
So you don't care for this interface?
2) Would you like an another color for Groups interface?
I choosed light Green and I am thinking black....
But it is impossible to change forms background color I must change 155 control box buttons + thousands labels..

MUTMAN · 1st October 2005, 5:43 PM

you could ask agg to host the file for you ??

ChesterMcCheese · 17th October 2005, 10:51 PM

Hey I can't download OC Bible

any mirrors?

maks · 27th February 2006, 8:14 PM

great stuff, MrSeanKon!

I tried to use the OC bible a few times, but I didn't have the MS Framework.

I'll give it a go when I've downloaded the framework

I still haven't got broadband...

MrSeanKon · 16th March 2006, 8:17 PM

Thanks maks!
Well if you install Windows 2003 than program runs.
It needs Microsoft Framework cos the programming language is C#.

ChesterMcCheese finally Aoaforums host my software available for anyone.
So no broken links etc....

From version 1.46 a setup program see here is available.

Look also Guidemania here it includes my previous o/c guides all in one program!

Well from version 1.47 are supported many different languages!
Greek, English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Japanese etc....
You have to translate the *.txt file.
Read the instructions carefully and enjoy!

Whisper · 12th August 2006, 1:22 AM

MrSeanKon, if I knew enough to know how to get all that information that your Bible/Guide required, I wouldn't need your guide to work the answers out for me.

You guide needs something to pull those values down automatically if you want a larger audience.

MrSeanKon · 25th August 2006, 6:27 PM

Whisper I get all data by testing.
I mean MSFs, MSVs etc...
Then I use some Mathematical algorithms and I put formulas and equations inside source code.
As about your suggestion what do you mean exactly?
Cos program has comboboxes....
It is hard to make a wizard for any form but be more specific what you mean so I will see what can I do...

25th June 2005, 5:11 AM	#31
MrSeanKon Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Athens in love with Anna! Posts: 506	*Step 4:* We continued similar and found (MSF3, Vcore3) + (MSF4, Vcore4). O/c Analyzer exponents (MSF1 - MSF4): O/c Analyzer find freq/FSB: It is obviously why I put n=0.48. We expect that new n < 0.48. AMD desktop CPU speed estimator supports 1 - 3 reference points. Why not four? What can you do now? Internal computations with four or five reference points did not give significant precision in the past. OK I cannot say more about this it is hard to present the algorithms. General rule If you have found four reference points then in AMD desktop CPU speed estimator you should input values for 2nd, 3rd and 4th points not 1st, 2nd and 3rd or 1st, 2nd or 4th. Similar if you have found five reference points you should input values for 3rd, 4th and 5th reference points not for 1st, 2nd and 3rd or 2nd, 4th and 5th and so on. The answer base on Numerical Analysis theorems but it is beyond of my scope to explain why this or that etc... So we BAN LOL 1st point and we input data now: Note that possibilities values are greater than before. 6th region predicts [2469, 2513] but O/c analyzer says that 2495 is the MSF4 --> BAN LOL --> 2469 < MSF5 < 2495MHz. I started 11X227=2497MHz and CPU was unstable after at 11 X 226 CPU passed the quick CPU stability test so MSF5=2483MHz!. Just two tries! Oh my what a waste time! Conclusion BAN method RULEZ! Last edited by MrSeanKon; 6th September 2005 at 3:58 AM.

1st September 2005, 6:10 PM	#32
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3rd September 2005, 9:33 PM	#36
MrSeanKon Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Athens in love with Anna! Posts: 506	signguyhuss as I said above your feedback is acceptable. No one knows anything/everything. Answers: 1) Yes all voltages are measured when system is on. Moreover at full load e.g. running a stability program or a game/video compression etc... It is very important to see voltage differences between full load and idle state. My Enermax outputs 12.16V at idle (when CPU utilization is 0%) and 12.14 at full load. 2) No. As you can see photos again (first page) I measured PSU voltages so it is parallel connection. When you make a parallel connection then you measure voltages always. Series connection is for measuring Amperes but you don't need to measure them. Last edited by MrSeanKon; 6th September 2005 at 4:00 AM.

28th September 2005, 7:18 AM	#37
MrSeanKon Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Athens in love with Anna! Posts: 506	Other tool for A64 users is A64 o/c suggester click here New beta version of A64 o/c suggester is available! Click on link above and enjoy! New version of O/c Bible v1.42 supports 939 processors. Enjoy! Last edited by MrSeanKon; 28th September 2005 at 7:21 AM.

3rd September 2005, 8:12 PM	#35
signguyhuss (Banned or Deleted) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 37	This is gonna sound -real- st00pid but i have 2 questions. 1.Is it safe/accurate to check Voltage across the molex connectors with PSu switched on and plugged into the computer and with everything turned on] ? 2. I know from electrical classes that Voltage must be measured across something, ie the Multimeter is connected in paraellel to a load. But by plugging it into the molex connector, wouldnt that make it in series? What happens there? Cheers

28th September 2005, 11:50 PM	#38
Assasinator_2 (Banned or Deleted) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockhampton Posts: 4,591	I like the new layout. The only suggestion I'd have is to have the sub-menus disappear if the mouse isn't in the box thing that contains all the options of that submenu. Maybe have it on a timer, so after 1 second of not having the mouse in there, that box disappears. Of course, if you're in a submenu of a submenu, the first submenu will not disappear, if you get what I mean. I havn't got enough data to punch numbers wiht this program, but i threw in some random numbers to see how it worked. It seems good, save the fact that you need to label and give tooltips to your buttons so everyone knows which one does what. Ie: under the CPU speed window, the 'button panel' buttons aren not labelled. I'm just assuming that you havn't yet got around to labelling them. Perhaps a bit more detail in the help would be handy, with labelled buttons so people know which ones to press. Also, on that submenu, there was no 'close' button. I had to close the entire program to close the subwindows. Edit: Wait, I look in the main help and it tells me what the buttons do! One of htem is a close button! However, this highlights my point of that you need to label them inside the program, and not just in the help file. Also, as a side note, put them somewhere else other than in the centre. They just look randomly placed there, and not polished or neat. Hope that helps! Keep up the awesome work! Last edited by Assasinator_2; 28th September 2005 at 11:53 PM.

1st October 2005, 5:43 PM	#40
MUTMAN Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: brisvegas Posts: 2,054	you could ask agg to host the file for you ??

17th October 2005, 10:51 PM	#41
ChesterMcCheese Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ACT Posts: 1,049	Hey I can't download OC Bible any mirrors?

27th February 2006, 8:14 PM	#42
maks Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pussyland :D Posts: 475	great stuff, MrSeanKon! I tried to use the OC bible a few times, but I didn't have the MS Framework. I'll give it a go when I've downloaded the framework I still haven't got broadband... __________________ Fender Squire Affinity p-bass, 15W fender rumble, Zoom B2 multi-fx pedal, Russian Big Muff Pi pedal, wah-wah, squier standard special telecaster,roland cube 15x www.muse.mu Do me a favour and listen to my favourite band of all time...

16th March 2006, 8:17 PM	#43
MrSeanKon Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Athens in love with Anna! Posts: 506	Thanks maks! Well if you install Windows 2003 than program runs. It needs Microsoft Framework cos the programming language is C#. ChesterMcCheese finally Aoaforums host my software available for anyone. So no broken links etc.... From version 1.46 a setup program see here is available. Look also Guidemania here it includes my previous o/c guides all in one program! Well from version 1.47 are supported many different languages! Greek, English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Japanese etc.... You have to translate the .txt file. Read the instructions carefully and enjoy! Last edited by MrSeanKon; 25th August 2006 at 5:53 PM.*

25th August 2006, 6:27 PM	#45
MrSeanKon Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Athens in love with Anna! Posts: 506	Whisper I get all data by testing. I mean MSFs, MSVs etc... Then I use some Mathematical algorithms and I put formulas and equations inside source code. As about your suggestion what do you mean exactly? Cos program has comboboxes.... It is hard to make a wizard for any form but be more specific what you mean so I will see what can I do...