PC2700 RAM - Page 4

chainbolt · 11th March 2002, 2:57 PM

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Originally posted by Manaz

This document is for SO-DIMM modules - laptop RAM, NOT regular PC2700 DDR-RAM for desktops...

It's the only document a search on "PC2700" comes up with on the JEDEC website...

o my, now I see it also, you are right, this is for SO-DIMM, not the
usual desktop RAM. So we are back to square one: neither a standard nor a proposal for PC2700 DDR-RAM has been published by JEDEC. Or anybody knows something else?

chainbolt · 11th March 2002, 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by sabretooth

Ah, so I'm not the only one getting the impression of a nasty grudge reading his posts, too?

Chainbolt - have you actually tried any 2700-rated RAM yet before going around saying that it's possibly all crap?

Sir

Do you, sometimes read the OCAU frontpage? Maybe it eluded your attention that in November last year OCAU had a review of PC2700, written by certain chainbolt? And if you do a search in this and the harware forum, you will find other reports from me about additional PC2700 I have tested

sabretooth · 11th March 2002, 3:26 PM

Read my reply to happygilmore's post.

And that RAM you so kindly point out (yes I do read most of the articles posted) isn't Corsair or Kingmax - you're calling them and their product into doubt without having used it, aren't you? A search for "PC2700" under your name hasn't revealed anything about Corsair as yet.

chainbolt · 11th March 2002, 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabretooth

Ah, so I'm not the only one getting the impression of a nasty grudge reading his posts, too?

And I'm not the only one getting the impression that you are always supporting only one single brand. Is there any specific reason for this?

sabretooth · 11th March 2002, 3:30 PM

I don't like dodgy advice being given out. Especially that of products people haven't used. If you've tried it on a capable platform - then fair enough. But doing the crystal ball thing isn't helping. A warning as to "standards not yet finalized" is fair enough - but not jumping the gun.

And yes - I do use Corsair - check my PCDB entry - although of the PC2100 variety. I bought Corsair SDR DRAM once and found it to be decent - and bought it again for my DDR platform.

chainbolt · 11th March 2002, 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sabretooth
Read my reply to happygilmore's post.

And that RAM you so kindly point out (yes I do read most of the articles posted) isn't Corsair or Kingmax - you're calling them and their product into doubt without having used it, aren't you? A search for "PC2700" under your name hasn't revealed anything about Corsair as yet.

you are twisting what I said: what I have said is that

(a) all RAM produced until now is NOT based on a JEDEC standard
(B) that VIA has pointed out in their KT333 brief that all RAM produced before February will probably not meet their validation criteria
(c) that everybody should consider what he/she is buying before this has been setteled, it might be a waste of money,
(d) that Corsair might well produce the best currently sold PC2700
(c) that Nanya and Hynix are producing "terrible" PC2700 quality, and the same applied for Corsair before, because they used (initially) the Nanya PC2700 CL 2.0 modules (I stay corrected if this is wrong).

All this 100% correct, has been tested by myself (exception d), can be shown by links etc.

I never said that I tested/used Corsair moduls. I was only pointing out that their press release and marketing tactics are questionable. That is a matter of taste. We understand already that you find naming like XMS2400, XMS2700, ok and in no way misleading. Other ppl, as here in the forum, are of other opinion.

sabretooth · 11th March 2002, 3:43 PM

OK - just reading over your previous posts makes it look like you've got quite a nice grudge there. But I'll try and leave it at what your points list say, as I'm getting sick of the verbal duelling

It seems to be coming down the personal opinion now - as to what's misleading, what isn't, who's tactics may be questionable, who's mightn't be, etc.

I think we'll be best to wait and see until the product is released.

chainbolt · 11th March 2002, 3:48 PM

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Originally posted by sabretooth
OK - just reading over your previous posts makes it look like you've got quite a nice grudge there. But I'll try and leave it at what your points list say, as I'm getting sick of the verbal duelling It seems to be coming down the personal opinion now - as to what's misleading, what isn't, who's tactics may be questionable, who's mightn't be, etc.

I think we'll be best to wait and see until the product is released.

yes

And let's see what John Gatt has to tell us.

What is amazing (I did never expect this) that this post created such a long threat. Is PC2700 such a hot topic? Just 3 AMD boards are in the market which could make use of it.

Creative · 11th March 2002, 5:13 PM

What I dont understand is;

Someone sooOoOooO against the false marketing ploy of having PC2700 available already when its not even a JDECC standard,(pfft who cares if they have or havnt, Its not like I have to live by what they say tec

).......at the same time this person use it in thier machine

I dont get it?

GreenBeret · 11th March 2002, 5:13 PM

Sorry chainbolt, but I'm find it really amusing that you keep using this argument over and over: JEDEC doesn't specify PC2700 standards !

Is JEDEC the GOD of RAM manufacturing ?

Another thing is: I don't want to say this but as you can't get your KT266A running stably at 150MHz+ FSB, I think your not being able to get PC2700 running stably at its rated speed and beyond is understandable.

FYI, since Cathar sold me an unlocked AXP 3-4 months ago, I"ve been running at 160MHz+ FSB (usually at 166 & 2.85V as I like "PC2700"

) for about 12 hours everyday. Yes, I use PC2100 but if I had a PC2700 stick, I should be able to run it at 2.5V @ 166MHz and would not put a heavy load on my poor 5V rail, that would allow me to clock my CPU higher

Hurrikane · 11th March 2002, 5:42 PM

umm does any1 know when the asus a7v333 is coming out here in oz.. also where are roughly when can someone get a 512mg set of corsair 2700 ram thats proper??

and roughly waht are the prices for the mobo and the ram?

chainbolt · 11th March 2002, 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Creative
What I dont understand is;

Someone sooOoOooO against the false marketing ploy of having PC2700 available already when its not even a JDECC standard,(pfft who cares if they have or havnt, Its not like I have to live by what they say tec ).......at the same time this person use it in thier machine

I dont get it?

Life is full of contradictions :

, but probably the reason of my comment is more the "disappointment" I feel with the PC2700 RAM I have tested so far. I know there are ppl who don't care too much about such things, but I'm getting angry, when I'm ripped off.

Luckily I found good reason to return at least 1 of the sticks. The Hinyx PC2700 is good for 196Mhz on the KR7A, but that was the same with my previous PC2100, and the bandwidth is anyway the same.

phantompisser · 11th March 2002, 9:16 PM

A couple of years ago ~ i bought some kingmax pc133 because i thought it would be a smart idea for my next upgrade . ~ about 12 months later when i got my A7V and duron 600 i had no end of computer crash's before i finally worked out that it was the ram that was giving me bsod's . Admittadly kingmax did replace my rev 1.0 with a stick of rev 1.2 ram , After more hassles than it should of taken (the ram was incompatable with via kt chipsets among others , worked perfectly in my bh6 ) . I'd like to know was this because there was no official jedec standard for pc133 or that they just stuffed it up....
Which leads me 2 my next point which is that if jedec decide to slightly alter the current suedo standard for pc2700 will they exchange the modules for correctly functioning , standardized pc2700 modules.
i believe they should because like anything else you buy if it's not what it was advertised as then you are entitled to a refund . And anyone selling ram labelled as pc2700 really could be taking a rather large risk IMHO

jimmy · 11th March 2002, 9:32 PM

check this chainbolt

http://www.ebnews.com/digest/story/OEG20010530S0075

http://www.ami2.com/shownews.asp?num=988

http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20010530S0075

Nobes · 11th March 2002, 9:57 PM

chainbolt you are missing one major thing
you keep saying that JEDEC have not finalised the standard for PC2700 and so the current ram that u can buy may not meet them right!
well you forgot about the motherboards them selves, they dont know if the chipsets meet it either!
The KT333 or the any other 2700 board variant board isnt a going to mean it will run with JEDEC PC2700 ram @ 333mhz
stop blaming the ram manufacturers for putting 2700 in the names of their products if your not going to say anything about the chip makers putting 333 in the name or saying they work with the up and coming JEDEC PC2700.

alot of ppl say "ive got pc2700 ram but its shit cause it wont do 333mhz or i need to give it more volts to get it to 333mhz."
but u never hear them saying that they have got pc2700 ram and a 333mhz board and it wont do 333mhz cause of the mobo.
im thinking your one of them.
yes the board might be well capable of 333mhz
and the ram too.
But whos in the wrong?
is the question they should ask
the answer? most likely neither.

11th March 2002, 5:13 PM	#54
Creative Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Melbourne Posts: 7,865	What I dont understand is; Someone sooOoOooO against the false marketing ploy of having PC2700 available already when its not even a JDECC standard,(pfft who cares if they have or havnt, Its not like I have to live by what they say tec ).......at the same time this person use it in thier machine I dont get it? __________________ Gigabyte P55-UD4P ¦ Intel i7 860 @ 3.90Ghz (Still testing) ¦ Noctua NH-U12P SE ¦ 2 x 2Gb G.Skill Trident DDR3-2000 ¦ Inno3D 896Mb GTX275 ¦ 1.5 TB of HDD ¦ Cheap DVD Drive ¦ Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum ¦ Thermaltake ToughPower 600w ¦ Logitech Z-5500 ¦ Samsung P2350 ¦ Asus VW222 ¦ Windows 7

11th March 2002, 5:13 PM	#55
GreenBeret Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Melbourne Posts: 16,896	Sorry chainbolt, but I'm find it really amusing that you keep using this argument over and over: JEDEC doesn't specify PC2700 standards ! Is JEDEC the GOD of RAM manufacturing ? Another thing is: I don't want to say this but as you can't get your KT266A running stably at 150MHz+ FSB, I think your not being able to get PC2700 running stably at its rated speed and beyond is understandable. FYI, since Cathar sold me an unlocked AXP 3-4 months ago, I"ve been running at 160MHz+ FSB (usually at 166 & 2.85V as I like "PC2700" ) for about 12 hours everyday. Yes, I use PC2100 but if I had a PC2700 stick, I should be able to run it at 2.5V @ 166MHz and would not put a heavy load on my poor 5V rail, that would allow me to clock my CPU higher __________________ Doctore: Crixus! What is beneath your feet? Crixus: Sacred ground, Doctore. Watered with tears and blood.

11th March 2002, 9:16 PM	#58
phantompisser Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Perth Posts: 925	A couple of years ago ~ i bought some kingmax pc133 because i thought it would be a smart idea for my next upgrade . ~ about 12 months later when i got my A7V and duron 600 i had no end of computer crash's before i finally worked out that it was the ram that was giving me bsod's . Admittadly kingmax did replace my rev 1.0 with a stick of rev 1.2 ram , After more hassles than it should of taken (the ram was incompatable with via kt chipsets among others , worked perfectly in my bh6 ) . I'd like to know was this because there was no official jedec standard for pc133 or that they just stuffed it up.... Which leads me 2 my next point which is that if jedec decide to slightly alter the current suedo standard for pc2700 will they exchange the modules for correctly functioning , standardized pc2700 modules. i believe they should because like anything else you buy if it's not what it was advertised as then you are entitled to a refund . And anyone selling ram labelled as pc2700 really could be taking a rather large risk IMHO Last edited by phantompisser; 11th March 2002 at 9:20 PM.

11th March 2002, 9:32 PM	#59
jimmy Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Toowoomba, QLD Posts: 2,089	check this chainbolt http://www.ebnews.com/digest/story/OEG20010530S0075 http://www.ami2.com/shownews.asp?num=988 http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20010530S0075 __________________ Deviant Art - Blog - Stuff For Sale Successful trades: khendar, Squeezer, BAAZMAN, Ic3man, RoSWeLL, mattski0_0, InquisitiveMind, make_out

11th March 2002, 9:57 PM	#60
Nobes Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hobart Posts: 1,296	chainbolt you are missing one major thing you keep saying that JEDEC have not finalised the standard for PC2700 and so the current ram that u can buy may not meet them right! well you forgot about the motherboards them selves, they dont know if the chipsets meet it either! The KT333 or the any other 2700 board variant board isnt a going to mean it will run with JEDEC PC2700 ram @ 333mhz stop blaming the ram manufacturers for putting 2700 in the names of their products if your not going to say anything about the chip makers putting 333 in the name or saying they work with the up and coming JEDEC PC2700. alot of ppl say "ive got pc2700 ram but its shit cause it wont do 333mhz or i need to give it more volts to get it to 333mhz." but u never hear them saying that they have got pc2700 ram and a 333mhz board and it wont do 333mhz cause of the mobo. im thinking your one of them. yes the board might be well capable of 333mhz and the ram too. But whos in the wrong? is the question they should ask the answer? most likely neither. __________________ My drinking club has a rugby problem. Last edited by Nobes; 12th March 2002 at 6:04 PM.

11th March 2002, 3:26 PM	#48
sabretooth Overdue for a new title Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: QLD Posts: 8,276	Read my reply to happygilmore's post. And that RAM you so kindly point out (yes I do read most of the articles posted) isn't Corsair or Kingmax - you're calling them and their product into doubt without having used it, aren't you? A search for "PC2700" under your name hasn't revealed anything about Corsair as yet.

11th March 2002, 3:30 PM	#50
sabretooth Overdue for a new title Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: QLD Posts: 8,276	I don't like dodgy advice being given out. Especially that of products people haven't used. If you've tried it on a capable platform - then fair enough. But doing the crystal ball thing isn't helping. A warning as to "standards not yet finalized" is fair enough - but not jumping the gun. And yes - I do use Corsair - check my PCDB entry - although of the PC2100 variety. I bought Corsair SDR DRAM once and found it to be decent - and bought it again for my DDR platform.

11th March 2002, 3:43 PM	#52
sabretooth Overdue for a new title Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: QLD Posts: 8,276	OK - just reading over your previous posts makes it look like you've got quite a nice grudge there. But I'll try and leave it at what your points list say, as I'm getting sick of the verbal duelling It seems to be coming down the personal opinion now - as to what's misleading, what isn't, who's tactics may be questionable, who's mightn't be, etc. I think we'll be best to wait and see until the product is released.

11th March 2002, 5:42 PM	#56
Hurrikane Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Melbourne Posts: 132	umm does any1 know when the asus a7v333 is coming out here in oz.. also where are roughly when can someone get a 512mg set of corsair 2700 ram thats proper?? and roughly waht are the prices for the mobo and the ram?