Console Fighting Games - Page 10

proffesso · 5th April 2006, 12:11 PM

no doubt it'll be ps3...pretty similar hardware to the lindburhg at any rate

elvis · 5th April 2006, 1:54 PM

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Originally Posted by proffesso

no doubt it'll be ps3...pretty similar hardware to the lindburhg at any rate

Eh? Isn't Lindbergh x86 with Nvidia, and PS3 PowerPC with ATi?

Or do you mean in terms of power rather than architecture?

proffesso · 5th April 2006, 1:57 PM

PS3 is Nvidia, Xbox is ATI....hence easy graphics porting....both are PPC based

elvis · 5th April 2006, 1:59 PM

Ah gotcha. I didn't realise Sony hand jumped on the Nvidia hardware. I know Microsoft dumped them due to a poor relationship left over from the Xbox days (although truth be told I hear both companies tried playing hardball with each other, and it all ended in tears).

proffesso · 5th April 2006, 2:04 PM

sony seems to have a good relationship with Nvidia, they just did a $30mil deal on another chipset thats purporse is unnanouced.

perhaps MS were too greedy? I know the jump to ATI would have irked Nvidia...possibly so much so that a 'more favorable' deal was given to sony for a bit of buisness revenge

elvis · 5th April 2006, 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by proffesso

perhaps MS were too greedy? I know the jump to ATI would have irked Nvidia...possibly so much so that a 'more favorable' deal was given to sony for a bit of buisness revenge

It wouldn't surprise me at all.

From what I heard, Microsoft weren't willing to pay for the hardware they got from Nvidia upfront, and then when it came time to paying for it they demanded current day prices instead of the cost that was agreed on at time of delivery.

But likewise there was some dirty from Nvidia where they held off on delivery of some chips for money. Although I can hardly blame them to me honest. All industry rumblings point to Microsoft picking up ATi for the 360 as a "revenge" move against Nvidia, and likewise rumour suggests that Nvidia is not terribly worried, as they know just how much the last Microsoft deal cost them in cold hard cash, and are hoping the same hard times will befall ATi with this new partnership.

Ah, the corporate world. What a sack of shit.

Kaji · 5th April 2006, 9:42 PM

GGXX Slash this month! (planned)

Oh, I can't wait to see Jam's legs and Robo-Ky's awesomeness

elvis · 5th April 2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaji

GGXX Slash this month! (planned)

Oh, I can't wait to see Jam's legs and Robo-Ky's awesomeness

I really hope they were smart enough to include 480p modes on all releases. I can tell you now GGX on Dreamcast via VGA output is drool worthy.

proffesso · 5th April 2006, 10:06 PM

I liked the look of GG...until I saw it running....effects are great, but the animation is poor

double the frames of the animation and it'd be a winner

then again, I think im just spoiled by 3s...cvs2 looks chunky as well now :/

elvis · 5th April 2006, 10:31 PM

When you play GG for a while you understand why the animation isn't so smooth. The more frames you add into a 2D game the slower the pace becomes.

I've been playing nothing but Vs games and GG for the last 2 years, and SF2:HF for the last 14 years. I've noly gotten into 3S seriously in the last 6 months, and yes it is slow. Not that it's a bad thing, mind you. Fast games are fun against skilled players, but there's very few people who can play them well, or keep up with the speed for that matter. I still remain undefeated at HF with Vega (claw) or Honda. There's even a machine in at GameDude now, and I get regular challenges there when I'm around (free credits are given out to anyone who can beat me). So far there's been no free credits.

Heck, it was the standard rule at my place that anyone who challenged me on SNES SF2:Turbo was oblidged to play at 10 star speed. Anything less was boring.

3S is damned pretty, but is heaps slower because of it. But again, I think that's kind of a good thing. It's attracted a lot of people back to the 2D fighter scene who were too afraid to play the other games in public due to the large chasm in skill between those who play it all day every day, and casual players. 3S evens the score a lot more, and to be honest while I don't like it as much as other titles, I play it solely because of the volume of decent competition hanging around.

Anyways... getting back on topic - GG has poor animation to keep the speed up. It's very combo centric, and that's just not something you can keep up for hours with the sort of animation framerate that SF3 is pushing out. It just looks crap to be constantly cancelling out of high framerate moves into specials and super specials.

A lot of people are hoping SF4 (*IF* it ever appears) will move to cell shaded 3D as a base for it's characters. I'm in 2 minds about this. 3D fighters have an etirely different feel to them. Even playing it under 2D rules would still make it just slower again than 3S is. Yes it will mean better graphics in terms of hitting a person in a particular spot, and causing a reaction in that same area (the same sort of physics being used in FPS to get more realistic reactions and damage calculation from hit players), but extra animation means extra time to respond to things, which means slower overall gameplay.

There's plenty of 3D fighters I love. I'm all gooey over Tekken's 3 and 5. But Street Fighter in 3D just doesn't work for me - I hated the Takara EX series. Street Fighter just must stay 2D. I hope that either we see a resurgance of hand-animated high res 2D games, or cell-shaded 3D grows to a much higher level of sophistication before SF4 hits the world.

End rant.

proffesso · 8th April 2006, 3:24 PM

agreed....i'd love to see SF4 on atomis wave, (or lindberg) running in 1080 or 720...drawn preferbly...however the japanese can pull off 2D drawn sprites on 3D geo...look at studio ghibli's last few movies for example...I would like the move to full 3d/2d backgrounds like the later fighters out now (cvs2 / gg etc)

btw, more VF5 goodness on gamershell.com

http://www.gamershell.com/news/29385.html

elvis · 9th April 2006, 6:55 PM

Does the music in video #4 remind anyone else of Castlevania? Or is it just me?

proffesso · 9th April 2006, 7:39 PM

ahah thats what I thought too

elvis · 13th April 2006, 6:53 AM

Guilty Gear XX Slash is now shipping from Play-Asia.

US$49.95 at today's exchange rate is AU$68.17 (woo! The Aussie dollar crept up to 0.73 over night! And just AFTER I paid for my dance pads.... grrrr...).

Kaji · 13th April 2006, 10:03 AM

/grabs tissues.

For...er...tears of joy?

5th April 2006, 12:11 PM	#136
proffesso Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Watsonia, Melbourne Posts: 8,621	no doubt it'll be ps3...pretty similar hardware to the lindburhg at any rate __________________ If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried.

5th April 2006, 1:57 PM	#138
proffesso Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Watsonia, Melbourne Posts: 8,621	PS3 is Nvidia, Xbox is ATI....hence easy graphics porting....both are PPC based __________________ If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried.

5th April 2006, 1:59 PM	#139
elvis Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19,937	Ah gotcha. I didn't realise Sony hand jumped on the Nvidia hardware. I know Microsoft dumped them due to a poor relationship left over from the Xbox days (although truth be told I hear both companies tried playing hardball with each other, and it all ended in tears). __________________ Child's Play Charity

5th April 2006, 2:04 PM	#140
proffesso Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Watsonia, Melbourne Posts: 8,621	sony seems to have a good relationship with Nvidia, they just did a $30mil deal on another chipset thats purporse is unnanouced. perhaps MS were too greedy? I know the jump to ATI would have irked Nvidia...possibly so much so that a 'more favorable' deal was given to sony for a bit of buisness revenge __________________ If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried.

5th April 2006, 9:42 PM	#142
Kaji Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 백두산 Posts: 4,619	GGXX Slash this month! (planned) Oh, I can't wait to see Jam's legs and Robo-Ky's awesomeness __________________ I was born ready. I'm Ron fucking Swanson. Goodnight, sweet prince.

5th April 2006, 10:06 PM	#144
proffesso Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Watsonia, Melbourne Posts: 8,621	I liked the look of GG...until I saw it running....effects are great, but the animation is poor double the frames of the animation and it'd be a winner then again, I think im just spoiled by 3s...cvs2 looks chunky as well now :/ __________________ If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried.

5th April 2006, 10:31 PM	#145
elvis Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19,937	When you play GG for a while you understand why the animation isn't so smooth. The more frames you add into a 2D game the slower the pace becomes. I've been playing nothing but Vs games and GG for the last 2 years, and SF2:HF for the last 14 years. I've noly gotten into 3S seriously in the last 6 months, and yes it is slow. Not that it's a bad thing, mind you. Fast games are fun against skilled players, but there's very few people who can play them well, or keep up with the speed for that matter. I still remain undefeated at HF with Vega (claw) or Honda. There's even a machine in at GameDude now, and I get regular challenges there when I'm around (free credits are given out to anyone who can beat me). So far there's been no free credits. Heck, it was the standard rule at my place that anyone who challenged me on SNES SF2:Turbo was oblidged to play at 10 star speed. Anything less was boring. 3S is damned pretty, but is heaps slower because of it. But again, I think that's kind of a good thing. It's attracted a lot of people back to the 2D fighter scene who were too afraid to play the other games in public due to the large chasm in skill between those who play it all day every day, and casual players. 3S evens the score a lot more, and to be honest while I don't like it as much as other titles, I play it solely because of the volume of decent competition hanging around. Anyways... getting back on topic - GG has poor animation to keep the speed up. It's very combo centric, and that's just not something you can keep up for hours with the sort of animation framerate that SF3 is pushing out. It just looks crap to be constantly cancelling out of high framerate moves into specials and super specials. A lot of people are hoping SF4 (IF it ever appears) will move to cell shaded 3D as a base for it's characters. I'm in 2 minds about this. 3D fighters have an etirely different feel to them. Even playing it under 2D rules would still make it just slower again than 3S is. Yes it will mean better graphics in terms of hitting a person in a particular spot, and causing a reaction in that same area (the same sort of physics being used in FPS to get more realistic reactions and damage calculation from hit players), but extra animation means extra time to respond to things, which means slower overall gameplay. There's plenty of 3D fighters I love. I'm all gooey over Tekken's 3 and 5. But Street Fighter in 3D just doesn't work for me - I hated the Takara EX series. Street Fighter just must stay 2D. I hope that either we see a resurgance of hand-animated high res 2D games, or cell-shaded 3D grows to a much higher level of sophistication before SF4 hits the world. End rant. __________________ Child's Play Charity

8th April 2006, 3:24 PM	#146
proffesso Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Watsonia, Melbourne Posts: 8,621	agreed....i'd love to see SF4 on atomis wave, (or lindberg) running in 1080 or 720...drawn preferbly...however the japanese can pull off 2D drawn sprites on 3D geo...look at studio ghibli's last few movies for example...I would like the move to full 3d/2d backgrounds like the later fighters out now (cvs2 / gg etc) btw, more VF5 goodness on gamershell.com http://www.gamershell.com/news/29385.html __________________ If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried.

9th April 2006, 6:55 PM	#147
elvis Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19,937	Does the music in video #4 remind anyone else of Castlevania? Or is it just me? __________________ Child's Play Charity

9th April 2006, 7:39 PM	#148
proffesso Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Watsonia, Melbourne Posts: 8,621	ahah thats what I thought too __________________ If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried.

13th April 2006, 6:53 AM	#149
elvis Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19,937	Guilty Gear XX Slash is now shipping from Play-Asia. US$49.95 at today's exchange rate is AU$68.17 (woo! The Aussie dollar crept up to 0.73 over night! And just AFTER I paid for my dance pads.... grrrr...). __________________ Child's Play Charity

13th April 2006, 10:03 AM	#150
Kaji Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 백두산 Posts: 4,619	/grabs tissues. For...er...tears of joy? __________________ I was born ready. I'm Ron fucking Swanson. Goodnight, sweet prince.