Consolidated Climate Change/CO2/Global Warming Thread - Page 3

noboundaries-au · 24th February 2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by daztay

So where does the C02 sit in the atmosphere?
Taking it heavy gas must be low... this correct?
Does it appear denser in different regions of the planet?

Just a bit curious

If the atmosphere was dead still and had no incoming energy then yes, CO2 would form below O2. But heat from the outside (well the sun), drives the winds in our atmosphere causing it to churn itself around, imagine stirring a couple of grains of something non-dissolvable in a glass of water, they wont sink because there is too much motion to allow it

daztay · 24th February 2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by noboundaries-au

If the atmosphere was dead still and had no incoming energy then yes, CO2 would form below O2. But heat from the outside (well the sun), drives the winds in our atmosphere causing it to churn itself around, imagine stirring a couple of grains of something non-dissolvable in a glass of water, they wont sink because there is too much motion to allow it

Thanks ...make sense really

So from that its pretty much evenly distributed around the planet, what about the poles I wonder being cold and magnetic hot spots would change any thing.

Thanks for the reply

Fuzz0r · 24th February 2007, 6:06 PM

Couldn't we just hire some hunters to shoot the CO2 molecules?

daztay · 25th February 2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Nolan

Removing large quantites of CO2 from the atmosphere isn't feasible. It is just a public relations stunt by Branson.

The only feasible response to global warming from anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions is to very significantly reduce those emissions and let natural processes sequester the excess CO2 over a few hundred years.

I agree... but
Do we have a hundred years spare ?
1 billion tons a years thats
2739726 tonnes per day
114155 tonnes per hour
1902 tonnes per minute
31 tonnes per second

The feasibility is scary but with a lot of clearing of land our natural system is at min. We are in deed in the poo.

If every industry that pollutes puts in money the nest egg would be huge and a project of this size may work.

Another thought is soft drink, it contains 3 times the liquid with C02 eg 375ml of drink .... 1125ml C02.
So from this lets say 1 billion Liters of fizzy treats a year would release 3 billion liters of C02 depending on how much our bodies absorb.
Whilst where on the subject of drink our friend Mr alcohol puts off CO2 during fermentation, beer companies recycle the CO2 to fizzy drink companies and gas companies. but the wine industry lets it go I think. Either way it ends up released.

What about us bloody humans ... how many liters of Co2 do we breath out a year, We all could wear scrubber masks. i know a few people that could improve there looks with such a mask.

Atti · 25th February 2007, 4:14 PM

the world is doomed as we know it.. just live ur life let the kids worry about the future honey!

Draffa · 6th March 2007, 7:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz0r

Couldn't we just hire some hunters to shoot the CO2 molecules?

Are you naturally stupid, or just putting an act?

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Originally Posted by Atti

the world is doomed as we know it.. just live ur life let the kids worry about the future honey!

That's exactly the attitude that's gotten us into this mess in the first place. Also, Punctuation please.

Goose1981 · 6th March 2007, 7:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Draffa

Also, Punctuation please.

Shouldn't that be a little 'p'?

Grotburger · 6th March 2007, 9:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Nolan

Removing large quantites of CO2 from the atmosphere isn't feasible. It is just a public relations stunt by Branson.

Didn't people say similar things when they announced the ansari X prize?

dexx · 6th March 2007, 6:47 PM

Another idea suggested was to pump CO2 down a pipe into a volcano and down under the crust. Sounds impossibly difficult.

Draffa · 7th March 2007, 7:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Goose1981

Shouldn't that be a little 'p'?

Don't make me come down there!

Atti · 7th March 2007, 6:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Draffa

Don't make me come down there!

down where ? ur grose !! and admit it your not so earth freindly. i can name a few things ur doing right now tahts not good for the earth.... including sitting infront of your computer screen reading this message right now...

you are making CO2!!!

Draffa · 11th March 2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Atti

down where ? ur grose !! and admit it your not so earth freindly. i can name a few things ur doing right now tahts not good for the earth.... including sitting infront of your computer screen reading this message right now...

you are making CO2!!!

a) You're an idiot, and b) re-write that with at least basic Grammar and Punctuation (Spelling would be nice as well) and I'll consider replying to it.

mordy · 11th March 2007, 8:59 PM

I was watching this documentry on google video called "The great global warming swindle", link http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...arming+swindle

I just thought there were some amazingly interesting points in there which show from a scientific point of view that global warming while is happening, has nothing to do with co2 or humans. Additionally the warming has absolutely no catastrophic consequences like those seen in the news.

For the sake of those who dont have an hour and an quarter, I have summarised some of the key points.

- the ice core samples taken, and shown as the key scientific evidence in "a convenient truth", shows that co2 and temperature rises over many many years are in sync. However the sceintist that actually did these tests says that the ice core shows conclusively that the co2 rise lagged behind the temperature rise by 800 years, this trend was repeated in similar ice-core drills. If co2 was the cause of temperature rise then it would lead temperature rise, not follow it.
Infact the reason for the lag is quite obvious, the ocean, which is the largest producer of co2 produces more co2 when its hotter, and absorbs co2 when its colder. The lag is due to the size of the oceans, the deep sea temperature increase takes hundreds of years to respond to heat increase, to produce more co2.

-The key years when industry took of in the post-war industrial boom the temperature actually fell for 40 years, only picking up in the mid-70s, and at that time they were actually predicting an ice-age. The co2 production has no correlation to the temperature at all.

- co2 is a very small percentage of the atmosphere, and also a very small percentage of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapour at 95%.

- when greenhouse gasses cause global warming, the troposphere has a drastic increase in temperature, moreso than on ground level. Unfortunately, the warming we are experiencing at the moment is less in the troposhpere than on ground level, indicating to real-scientists that its not being caused by greenhouse gasses, but by a completely different things.

-The activity of the sun mapped next to temperature change shows a direct correlation between solar activity and temperature on the surface of earth. Basically, the cause of global warming, is that the sun is hotter.

The rest of the documentary is about why the global warming movement has such a strong following, and also how the environmentalists are forcing the poorest countries to use the least efficient and expensive power generation techniques to fuel their stupidity.

Mordy

Goose1981 · 11th March 2007, 9:09 PM

Should be interesting to look at.

Being a Geo i tend to sit on the fence more than most (plenty of evidence of past temperature cycling) but having said that it is pretty simple science which says that burning fossil fuels is going to do weird things to the atmosphere.

And 'Global Warming' is a bit of a misnomer. It can cause huge cold shifts as well.. so 'Climate Change' is the better term to use, even if it was only brought about by groups wanting to disprove and downplay the whole situation.

mordy · 11th March 2007, 10:29 PM

It's interesting, I think that theres definately some ppl out there who "decided" that global warming was caused by co2 levels, and somehow its infallible science sorta like religion.

I never jumped on the whole bandwagon to begin with.

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mordy Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: melb Posts: 5,116	global warming and humans I was watching this documentry on google video called "The great global warming swindle", link http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...arming+swindle I just thought there were some amazingly interesting points in there which show from a scientific point of view that global warming while is happening, has nothing to do with co2 or humans. Additionally the warming has absolutely no catastrophic consequences like those seen in the news. For the sake of those who dont have an hour and an quarter, I have summarised some of the key points. - the ice core samples taken, and shown as the key scientific evidence in "a convenient truth", shows that co2 and temperature rises over many many years are in sync. However the sceintist that actually did these tests says that the ice core shows conclusively that the co2 rise lagged behind the temperature rise by 800 years, this trend was repeated in similar ice-core drills. If co2 was the cause of temperature rise then it would lead temperature rise, not follow it. Infact the reason for the lag is quite obvious, the ocean, which is the largest producer of co2 produces more co2 when its hotter, and absorbs co2 when its colder. The lag is due to the size of the oceans, the deep sea temperature increase takes hundreds of years to respond to heat increase, to produce more co2. -The key years when industry took of in the post-war industrial boom the temperature actually fell for 40 years, only picking up in the mid-70s, and at that time they were actually predicting an ice-age. The co2 production has no correlation to the temperature at all. - co2 is a very small percentage of the atmosphere, and also a very small percentage of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapour at 95%. - when greenhouse gasses cause global warming, the troposphere has a drastic increase in temperature, moreso than on ground level. Unfortunately, the warming we are experiencing at the moment is less in the troposhpere than on ground level, indicating to real-scientists that its not being caused by greenhouse gasses, but by a completely different things. -The activity of the sun mapped next to temperature change shows a direct correlation between solar activity and temperature on the surface of earth. Basically, the cause of global warming, is that the sun is hotter. The rest of the documentary is about why the global warming movement has such a strong following, and also how the environmentalists are forcing the poorest countries to use the least efficient and expensive power generation techniques to fuel their stupidity. Mordy

25th February 2007, 4:14 PM	#35
Atti Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Awesome Adelaide Posts: 1,272	the world is doomed as we know it.. just live ur life let the kids worry about the future honey!

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dexx Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canning Vale, Perth Posts: 2,634	Another idea suggested was to pump CO2 down a pipe into a volcano and down under the crust. Sounds impossibly difficult.

11th March 2007, 10:29 PM	#45
mordy Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: melb Posts: 5,116	It's interesting, I think that theres definately some ppl out there who "decided" that global warming was caused by co2 levels, and somehow its infallible science sorta like religion. I never jumped on the whole bandwagon to begin with.