Water cooling for a water cooling newbie

Widowmaker · 27th July 2001, 9:56 AM

Hey I REALLY wanna do water cooling on my case cause 1. My case is 1 metre from my bed where i sleep and the wbk38 is to noisy 2. i think it could be cooler. Now what is involved i dun wanna put one in it leeks and thats the end of that , whats the safest way to do it ? what do i need and how much will it cost and how much noise is involved

any web site ?

Thanx

Jessfm · 27th July 2001, 11:13 AM

You could check my site HERE for the basics.
Links will not realy apply?, as they are geared for UK/US
Hopefuly should take you through basics, then you would do better t oask more specific question regarding your build
.......Jess

Czechmate · 27th July 2001, 11:22 AM

You should really do your homework with watercooling and do *HEAPS* of reading before you start sticking hoses and radiators inside your computer.

For plenty of water-cooling basics, try the Water Cooling section on www.overclockers.com Many articles there on how to set up, best components to use and so on. Also good links to other websites with more info.

As to the cost of watercooling, the best watercooling gear and accesories are sold by:

www.silverprop.com

and

www.pcca.com.au

Give these websites a go to find out the prices for waterblocks, pumps, radiators, etc.

Widowmaker · 27th July 2001, 12:24 PM

Hmmm checked it out

DD-MAZE-SOCKET $96
DD-COOLING-CUBE $149.50
EHEIM-1048 $145
Tubes n stuff $30

$420.50 approx

and its not gonna make it that much cooler ?

i think ill just get a new video card =)

with peltier you need all that insulation and that doesnt it ?

Memphis · 27th July 2001, 12:31 PM

Look at it this way...

You purchase a bloody good Ge-Force II Pro card (possibly an Ultra) and everyone goes, "Why didn't you get a Ge-Force III?" Even though they are all still running TNT 2's.

You buy the water cooling gear and they say, "Whoooaaa!"

Get the peltier controller kit and you needn't bother with insulation! It will cost the same anyway! See my PCDB entry to see the controller.

The white wire that trails off from the PC board has a thermal resistor that you attach to the CPU or cold plate. You adjust the pot on the controller to set the cooling temperature.

Czechmate · 27th July 2001, 12:45 PM

I tend to look at it this way...."it's not the destination, but the journey"

who cares if watercooling only lets you o/c another 10MHz or if you have to cope with icicles growing inside your computer or if for the price of all the watercooling gear you could get a faster CPU anyway - you still get the satisfaction that all the time you put in setting it all up and making it all work paid off in the end.

That's what makes it all worthwhile.

Plus all your friends will be jealous

Also, you might be able to get some things for cheaper from other places. For example, www.coolpc.com.au sell their Senfu radiator for cheaper and it's just as good if not better than the Cooling Cube.

Widowmaker · 27th July 2001, 12:48 PM

Well for a moment there i was thinking about hiding under the desk and hopeing somehow everything will work out . but you guys talked me into it . ill have to stick with the voodoo 3 2000 for a little while longer then =(

thanx for you help

Gandalf · 27th July 2001, 1:41 PM

If you want to keep costs down find a car heater element for a radiator from the wreckers, an aquarium pump or pond pump for less (I found an 1100 litre per hour Hagen pump for $ 55.00 on sale) and the Cyclone Water block for $ 85.00 from www.coolpc.com - well under $200.00 with all plumbing - or build a bong cooler that works even better than a radiator and costs only a lew dollars.

WOOFLE · 27th July 2001, 2:30 PM

I would advise avoiding senfu products.
Try to read up on as many peoples personal experiances as you can. Especially systems that are similar to yours. I can post some links if you'd like

Another convert!

Memphis · 27th July 2001, 3:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WOOFLE
I would advise avoiding senfu products.
Try to read up on as many peoples personal experiances as you can. Especially systems that are similar to yours. I can post some links if you'd like
Another convert!

Avoid every Senfu product except their test bench and their radiator. For the price and performance, their radiator is a real performer (from everything I have read).

Their block is an entirely different kettle of fish!

Czechmate · 27th July 2001, 3:39 PM

Their radiator is tops!! When you mod it for use with 3/8" tubing (as I've done) it works like a charm and after sticking a couple of quiet 92mm Panaflo fans instead of the standard 80mm ones onto it I reackon it beats the hell out of any DangerDen cooling cube

uNTiTLeD · 27th July 2001, 6:30 PM

yes the senfu waterblock is fkn dodgy as shite
not even good enough for a freakin geforce
plus it's aluminium so it forms galvanic cell with the
copper bits that flow thru the system from the radiator
and corodes to shite!
The radiator is pure magic though =P make sure you mod it
to 3/8" inch though but drilling out the little pipes this increases
the water flow four fold!!!

(yay 100 posts =P)

Corporal_Hicks · 28th July 2001, 9:43 AM

I posted this idea the Hard forums some time ago:

DIY water-cooling solution:

Water block
Use this design, effective and you can do the silver soldering on the stovetop.
http://www.overclockers.com/tips494/

Pump
Get a Hydor (German Made) pump from bunnings warehouse for ~$60

Radiator
Buy an all-copper heater core from the local auto wreckers for $10 and clean it up using this method http://www.overclockers.com/tips250/

Use silicone tubing, hose clamps, and Teflon tape.

The whole thing should come in under $100

Shepete · 28th July 2001, 2:59 PM

I have tried about everything & the best advise i can give is to use commercial cooling block. I now have a danger den maze2 which i can't speak to highly of, but the silverprop should be just as good. I have built 2 or 3 cololing blocks that worked ok, but i have also destroyed 2 durons & broken the centre lug from 2 asus motherboards. All because of "Bodgy" mounting arrangements. I absolutely beleive that the only way to mount one to the cpu is by using the four holes in the motherboard.
For a radiator i am using a heater core from an EB Falcon and for a pump a Seltz s30.
Hope this has been some help.

Predator · 29th July 2001, 1:20 PM

What are the dimentions on the falcon heater core (approx)?

27th July 2001, 9:56 AM	#1
Widowmaker Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,219	Water cooling for a water cooling newbie Hey I REALLY wanna do water cooling on my case cause 1. My case is 1 metre from my bed where i sleep and the wbk38 is to noisy 2. i think it could be cooler. Now what is involved i dun wanna put one in it leeks and thats the end of that , whats the safest way to do it ? what do i need and how much will it cost and how much noise is involved any web site ? Thanx

27th July 2001, 11:22 AM	#3
Czechmate Intel Insight Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 2eme Regiment Etranger des Parachutistes Posts: 785	Do lots of research You should really do your homework with watercooling and do HEAPS of reading before you start sticking hoses and radiators inside your computer. For plenty of water-cooling basics, try the Water Cooling section on www.overclockers.com Many articles there on how to set up, best components to use and so on. Also good links to other websites with more info. As to the cost of watercooling, the best watercooling gear and accesories are sold by: www.silverprop.com and www.pcca.com.au Give these websites a go to find out the prices for waterblocks, pumps, radiators, etc.

27th July 2001, 12:31 PM	#5
Memphis Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Melbourne Posts: 469	Look at it this way... You purchase a bloody good Ge-Force II Pro card (possibly an Ultra) and everyone goes, "Why didn't you get a Ge-Force III?" Even though they are all still running TNT 2's. You buy the water cooling gear and they say, "Whoooaaa!" Get the peltier controller kit and you needn't bother with insulation! It will cost the same anyway! See my PCDB entry to see the controller. The white wire that trails off from the PC board has a thermal resistor that you attach to the CPU or cold plate. You adjust the pot on the controller to set the cooling temperature. __________________ My Mini Beast Email me: atrewin@hotmail.com

27th July 2001, 12:45 PM	#6
Czechmate Intel Insight Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 2eme Regiment Etranger des Parachutistes Posts: 785	Good analogy Memphis.... I tend to look at it this way...."it's not the destination, but the journey" who cares if watercooling only lets you o/c another 10MHz or if you have to cope with icicles growing inside your computer or if for the price of all the watercooling gear you could get a faster CPU anyway - you still get the satisfaction that all the time you put in setting it all up and making it all work paid off in the end. That's what makes it all worthwhile. Plus all your friends will be jealous Also, you might be able to get some things for cheaper from other places. For example, www.coolpc.com.au sell their Senfu radiator for cheaper and it's just as good if not better than the Cooling Cube.

27th July 2001, 1:41 PM	#8
Gandalf Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Brisbane Posts: 371	If you want to keep costs down find a car heater element for a radiator from the wreckers, an aquarium pump or pond pump for less (I found an 1100 litre per hour Hagen pump for $ 55.00 on sale) and the Cyclone Water block for $ 85.00 from www.coolpc.com - well under $200.00 with all plumbing - or build a bong cooler that works even better than a radiator and costs only a lew dollars. __________________ "The best game is a new Linux distro" www.qldcorp.net Last edited by Gandalf; 27th July 2001 at 1:54 PM.

27th July 2001, 11:13 AM	#2
Jessfm Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: UK/ East Coast/Yorkshire Posts: 2	You could check my site HERE for the basics. Links will not realy apply?, as they are geared for UK/US Hopefuly should take you through basics, then you would do better t oask more specific question regarding your build .......Jess

27th July 2001, 12:24 PM	#4
Widowmaker Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,219	Hmmm checked it out DD-MAZE-SOCKET $96 DD-COOLING-CUBE $149.50 EHEIM-1048 $145 Tubes n stuff $30 $420.50 approx and its not gonna make it that much cooler ? i think ill just get a new video card =) with peltier you need all that insulation and that doesnt it ?

27th July 2001, 12:48 PM	#7
Widowmaker Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,219	Well for a moment there i was thinking about hiding under the desk and hopeing somehow everything will work out . but you guys talked me into it . ill have to stick with the voodoo 3 2000 for a little while longer then =( thanx for you help

27th July 2001, 2:30 PM	#9
WOOFLE Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: melbourne Posts: 690	I would advise avoiding senfu products. Try to read up on as many peoples personal experiances as you can. Especially systems that are similar to yours. I can post some links if you'd like Another convert! __________________ You can't have a reasonable discussion with an unreasonable person

27th July 2001, 3:39 PM	#11
Czechmate Intel Insight Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 2eme Regiment Etranger des Parachutistes Posts: 785	Their radiator is tops!! When you mod it for use with 3/8" tubing (as I've done) it works like a charm and after sticking a couple of quiet 92mm Panaflo fans instead of the standard 80mm ones onto it I reackon it beats the hell out of any DangerDen cooling cube

27th July 2001, 6:30 PM	#12
uNTiTLeD Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Perth, West Aussie! Posts: 187	yes the senfu waterblock is fkn dodgy as shite not even good enough for a freakin geforce plus it's aluminium so it forms galvanic cell with the copper bits that flow thru the system from the radiator and corodes to shite! The radiator is pure magic though =P make sure you mod it to 3/8" inch though but drilling out the little pipes this increases the water flow four fold!!! (yay 100 posts =P)

28th July 2001, 9:43 AM	#13
Corporal_Hicks Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Alpha Centauri Posts: 27	I posted this idea the Hard forums some time ago: DIY water-cooling solution: Water block Use this design, effective and you can do the silver soldering on the stovetop. http://www.overclockers.com/tips494/ Pump Get a Hydor (German Made) pump from bunnings warehouse for ~$60 Radiator Buy an all-copper heater core from the local auto wreckers for $10 and clean it up using this method http://www.overclockers.com/tips250/ Use silicone tubing, hose clamps, and Teflon tape. The whole thing should come in under $100

28th July 2001, 2:59 PM	#14
Shepete Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Bendigo Posts: 1,717	I have tried about everything & the best advise i can give is to use commercial cooling block. I now have a danger den maze2 which i can't speak to highly of, but the silverprop should be just as good. I have built 2 or 3 cololing blocks that worked ok, but i have also destroyed 2 durons & broken the centre lug from 2 asus motherboards. All because of "Bodgy" mounting arrangements. I absolutely beleive that the only way to mount one to the cpu is by using the four holes in the motherboard. For a radiator i am using a heater core from an EB Falcon and for a pump a Seltz s30. Hope this has been some help. __________________ I am not young enough to know everything.

29th July 2001, 1:20 PM	#15
Predator Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,765	What are the dimentions on the falcon heater core (approx)?