Blue Staffy Pups!

[romp]

Let us know if you sell them for the asking prices but fair enough, i've heard how rare the blue ones are...
When you can pick up a pure Staffy from a breeder for as little as $300, you have got to wonder is the demand there for someone to buy a blue pure one for $2000+ more.

[choo5]

Originally Posted by romp

Let us know if you sell them for the asking prices but fair enough, i've heard how rare the blue ones are...
When you can pick up a pure Staffy from a breeder for as little as $300, you have got to wonder is the demand there for someone to buy a blue pure one for $2000+ more.

$300 for a "pet grade" animal; even then thats very cheap - average to good quality staffies usualy go $400 > $800 in my experience.

Im assuming these are show bred animals, the demand and price is definately much higher for show dogs.

[Incubus_Tool]

They are so cute but I think I am in the wrong business...

[VippiN]

Yeah I was also going to ask about the price. Holy crap!

[tunagirll]

Originally Posted by japes

Also add in the fact that they're coming from an established and award winning kennel

That's the main reason for the purchase price. It's easy to breed any dog just for a rare colour. It's very hard to breed and keep the best quality of the breed and have the rare colour too.

Most people don't care about pedigree but the pedigree and the know-how of the breeder is what ensures you have a healthy, good minded dog.

Minimising diseases, genetic disorders, breeding good conformation, and breeding dogs of good stable temperaments, this is all part of being a GOOD breeder and good breeders are hard to come by.

$2000 seems like a lot of money until you realise that you will be likely to save as much in vet bills by buying from the healthiest stock available (in general), not to mention the adult dog will be more of a pleasure to deal with.

Some people will rip you but a responsible, registered breeder using good dogs with CURRENT wins in BIG breed and/or obedience shows, that money is well worth it!

[ATXXX]

Originally Posted by tunagirll

That's the main reason for the purchase price. It's easy to breed any dog just for a rare colour. It's very hard to breed and keep the best quality of the breed and have the rare colour too.

Most people don't care about pedigree but the pedigree and the know-how of the breeder is what ensures you have a healthy, good minded dog.

Minimising diseases, genetic disorders, breeding good conformation, and breeding dogs of good stable temperaments, this is all part of being a GOOD breeder and good breeders are hard to come by.

$2000 seems like a lot of money until you realise that you will be likely to save as much in vet bills by buying from the healthiest stock available (in general), not to mention the adult dog will be more of a pleasure to deal with.

Some people will rip you but a responsible, registered breeder using good dogs with CURRENT wins in BIG breed and/or obedience shows, that money is well worth it!

pretty much spot on. dogs are like anything else you buy, you get what you pay for and to have special features e.g color you will pay more. blue pups from quality breeders range from 1000 - 2000 and normal colors around 700 - 1200. it really depends what you want, if the dogs for your family you arent going to buy a $1500 show quality dog and on the other hand if you do plan on showing/breeding you arent going to pay $500 for a dog from the pet store. i paid $1500 for mine and he came with papers, insurance (3 months worth) and copies of his parents papers, bloodlines and DNA testing. money well spent IMO

[Lojikool]

Just wondering where the variation in price comes from?

Why are some hundreds less or more?

[Oosh]

Originally Posted by Lojikool

Just wondering where the variation in price comes from?

Why are some hundreds less or more?

It's called a Market Economy.

[ATXXX]

Originally Posted by Lojikool

Just wondering where the variation in price comes from?

Why are some hundreds less or more?

as stated, its beacause of rarity and quality.

[AussieBlue]

I'd be interested to know if both the parents are pattern A dogs if pups are being sold at a premium price like that.

[tunagirll]

Higher prices generally are for the 'show quality' pups - generally the best of these go on to become breedable dogs.

Qualities these dogs may have are close to ideal breed type (there is a standard for every breed), good conformation (eg good head shape, straight legs), ideal temperament (very important for breeding dogs to produce good family and working dogs) and low genetic problems.

The last is the most important in general, all puppies in a litter benefit from this courtesy of good breeders. It's just some puppies will come out with better overall quality.

Some breeders won't part with the best pups simply becuase to continue breeding high quality, you have to stick with the best dogs in your program!

[AussieBlue]

Originally Posted by tunagirll

Higher prices generally are for the 'show quality' pups - generally the best of these go on to become breedable dogs.

Qualities these dogs may have are close to ideal breed type (there is a standard for every breed), good conformation (eg good head shape, straight legs), ideal temperament (very important for breeding dogs to produce good family and working dogs) and low genetic problems.

The last is the most important in general, all puppies in a litter benefit from this courtesy of good breeders. It's just some puppies will come out with better overall quality.

Some breeders won't part with the best pups simply becuase to continue breeding high quality, you have to stick with the best dogs in your program!

Most breeders would, and have to by law in some countries, have their animals DNA tested. This is to eliminate specific diseases in the animals to which the DNA code is know, for example: Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA).

This testing will reveal a dog to be one of 3 types for a disease.
Pattern A: The animal is free of this disease and will not pass it on to it's offspring.
Pattern B: The dog is a carrier and might pass it on to it's offspring.
Pattern C: Affected. This dog will pass it on to it's offspring.

Talking breeding:

A + A = 100% A pups.
A + B = 50% A pups, 50% B pups.
A + C = 100% B pups.
B + B = 25% A pups, 50% B pups and 25% C pups.
B + C = 50% B pups , 50% C pups.
C + C = 100% C pups.

In most European countries, only A + A and A + B breedings are allowed. In some countries A + C is accepted.


Hence my original question. Only a pup with 2 Pattern A parents could possibly be worth the money, and a responsible, reputable, registered breeder will easily be able to answer this question, and prove indisputably that this is in fact the case.

[_Raz_]

Originally Posted by ATXXX

as stated, its beacause of rarity and quality.

This is not always the case. I know that plenty of good breeders charge the same for the rarer colours.

My Leonberger cost me $1500. Sire was imported (from Sweden) The Sire has won best in breed many times and even went on to win intermediate in show recently (melb) Which is damn good for such a rare breed. Most breeders charge about that price here.

My pup is also show quality. She is on limited register though, but I could have changed her to main if I wanted to show but I don't, so no point.

To the OP, what kind of health tests do staffies need before breeding?

[ATXXX]

Originally Posted by _Raz_

This is not always the case. I know that plenty of good breeders charge the same for the rarer colours.

i dont know much about other breeds but Staffys are really popular so i think that drives the price up for a rarer colour as ive spoken to a few Staffy breeders that prefer the normal colors for showing. I went to the Melbourne show to watch the staffy judging and i was surprised to see that out of the entire field there was only one blue staffy, it was dominated by blacks.

this was the male that won best of breed on the day:

[AussieBlue]

Originally Posted by ATXXX

i dont know much about other breeds but Staffys are really popular so i think that drives the price up for a rarer colour as ive spoken to a few Staffy breeders that prefer the normal colors for showing. I went to the Melbourne show to watch the staffy judging and i was surprised to see that out of the entire field there was only one blue staffy, it was dominated by blacks.

Judging is subjective in shows. You might go to the next show on the circuit and find a different colour dominating due to word getting out a different judge with a preference for XX colour will be there.