ASUS Launches Xonar DX PCI Express x1 7.1 + Driver support for EAX 5.0 - Page 3

Borgod · 28th March 2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chinkiwinki

nope. not at this time anyways.

Evidence/links/references plz ?

jarnex · 28th March 2008, 11:08 AM

As predicted many moons ago, dual core and quad core CPU's will render Creative's discrete sound card business obsolete.

Knowing Creative, their next step will be an API war ie. for games "certified for EAX 5 and X-Fi", they will make it a requirement that the games check the PCI ID of the audio device before enabling EAX sound effects.

Idryss · 28th March 2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jarnex

As predicted many moons ago, dual core and quad core CPU's will render Creative's discrete sound card business obsolete.

Knowing Creative, their next step will be an API war ie. for games "certified for EAX 5 and X-Fi", they will make it a requirement that the games check the PCI ID of the audio device before enabling EAX sound effects.

Thats one way they could go. But then I'm sure there would be another work around, and now that Asus have shown one the community at large will likely take that as a challenge. Creative change how games have to check, community changes how they 'hack' (for lack of a better term) that so it works.

Mad Mike · 28th March 2008, 2:03 PM

Interesting to see what happens here. I have also updated the wiki with this info.

SuperRoach · 28th March 2008, 2:05 PM

It'll be interesting to see where this pans out. Software eax solution if it doesn't have a bad enough hit, will kill the xfi line essentially...

Dezza Bot · 28th March 2008, 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Borgod

Evidence/links/references plz ?

Don't expect much more that Creative's already spreaded fud on why they haven't made a real pci-e xfi.

I think I'll hold off on my soundcard purchase till some of this blows over a bit.

PeppeX · 28th March 2008, 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezza Bot

Don't expect much more that Creative's already spreaded fud on why they haven't made a real pci-e xfi.

I think I'll hold off on my soundcard purchase till some of this blows over a bit.

I got a x-fi fatal1ty and thinking if it is worth upgrading to prelude or the xonar. But some say PCI-E have better sound quality than PCI. So i probably hold off until more stuff comes out

TOFUGil · 28th March 2008, 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DiGiTaL_MoNkEY

This is an interesting article..

Asus and Creative going to war over sound
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"Asus will contine responding to customer requests" yay, thats what i like to hear

Good to hear abt time someone stick it to Creative..hopefully this will give them a wake up call.

stevo4 · 28th March 2008, 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppeX

But some say PCI-E have better sound quality than PCI.

I keep reading ppl saying the opposite.

I'm at yet to verify things one way or another.

Do you have anything to backup what's being said?

PeppeX · 28th March 2008, 8:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo4

I keep reading ppl saying the opposite.

I'm at yet to verify things one way or another.

Do you have anything to backup what's being said?

No i am just saying that is what i have heard and read on different forums, i really got no idea lol

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stevo4 · 28th March 2008, 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppeX

No i am just saying that is what i have heard and read on different forums, i really got no idea lol

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Just asking

I updated my HTPC from a PCIe Sound Blaster, that is supposed to be an X-Fi chip, and in reality is an Audigy ZS chip with native PCIe bridge, to a Auzen Tech Prelude 7.1 which is PCI.

That move saw a noticeable improvement in sound quality.

PeppeX · 28th March 2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo4

Just asking

I updated my HTPC from a PCIe Sound Blaster, that is supposed to be an X-Fi chip, and in reality is an Audigy ZS chip with native PCIe bridge, to a Auzen Tech Prelude 7.1 which is PCI.

That move saw a noticeable improvement in sound quality.

Yeah but they are 2 different cards lol u cant compare like that. Have to get same card that uses different slots

stevo4 · 28th March 2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppeX

Yeah but they are 2 different cards lol u cant compare like that. Have to get same card that uses different slots

Yeah I know.

I also have a X-Fi PCI card as well and that is not as good, sound wise, as the Prelude 7.1.

What does matter is the sound that is output. ie what I hear, not what slot the card uses.
Thats how I judge the card. Not by a spec sheet.

PeppeX · 28th March 2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo4

Yeah I know.

I also have a X-Fi PCI card as well and that is not as good, sound wise, as the Prelude 7.1.

What does matter is the sound that is output. ie what I hear, not what slot the card uses.
Thats how I judge the card. Not by a spec sheet.

Well the prelude has better DAC and capacitors than the creative x-fi. So technically you cant compare the cards just because they have the same processing unit

DiGiTaL MoNkEY · 29th March 2008, 9:53 AM

Asus also believes its DS3D GX approach to what is effectively unauthorized EAX emulation is a superior solution for those looking to enjoy DirectSound 3D and EAX effects in games running under Windows Vista. Vista's new Universal Audio Architecture strips the hardware abstraction layer for DirectSound, effectively limiting hardware-accelerated 3D audio to games that support third-party APIs like OpenAL.

Creative's solution is an ALchemy software package that serves as a DirectSound wrapper, converting DirectSound calls for EAX to OpenAL. Alchemy is a standalone application, though, and it must be specifically configured to work with games installed on a user's system. DS3D GX provides similar functionality, but since it resides in the Xonar driver, there's no need for additional software or game-specific configuration.

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SuperRoach Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 316	It'll be interesting to see where this pans out. Software eax solution if it doesn't have a bad enough hit, will kill the xfi line essentially...

29th March 2008, 9:53 AM	#45
DiGiTaL MoNkEY Bokehlicious Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Posts: 26,694	Asus also believes its DS3D GX approach to what is effectively unauthorized EAX emulation is a superior solution for those looking to enjoy DirectSound 3D and EAX effects in games running under Windows Vista. Vista's new Universal Audio Architecture strips the hardware abstraction layer for DirectSound, effectively limiting hardware-accelerated 3D audio to games that support third-party APIs like OpenAL. Creative's solution is an ALchemy software package that serves as a DirectSound wrapper, converting DirectSound calls for EAX to OpenAL. Alchemy is a standalone application, though, and it must be specifically configured to work with games installed on a user's system. DS3D GX provides similar functionality, but since it resides in the Xonar driver, there's no need for additional software or game-specific configuration.