[OFFICIAL] Free ICD7 thermal compound for OCAU members RESULTS THREAD

[dicko]

This is the RESULTS THREAD for all of those who have received their free IC Diamond 7 Carat thermal compound from the introduction/giveaway thread HERE


Hello and thanks to all whom have agreed to be a part of this promotion/beta test.

This will be the place to post your benches, test, and results from your IC Diamond 7 Carat thermal compound you received.

Introduction
At Innovation Cooling we have done extensive tests on our own compound as well as all our competitors and I can say from our results That I have never tested a compound that performs better although a couple come close initially on thermal performance due to a more liquid, lower particle bulk loading. This enables a better wetting of the surface to fill imperfections in the adjoining surfaces. They look great after the first couple hundred hours but what happens after 1000 hours? or 2000 hours? It is well documented in numerous published papers that low viscosity TIM’s are prone to bake out and pump out. Intel and others in the OEM market recommend particle bulk loadings above 90% to minimize these effects. While this increases reliability in the long run as it is harder to pump a solid than a liquid and performance is measurably impacted as many here will probably have experienced when using thermal pads, gels, Phase change, tapes and other OEM type products.
With IC Diamond we believe we have an ideal combination of thermal performance and reliable performance. Our data on a one inch synthetic die with thermocouples on die and sink show only a 1.1C delta @ 100 W. In other words a mechanically thermal perfect contact between the two would only net an improvement of 1.1C @ 100W.
http://innovationcooling.com/Reliabilty1.htm
Purified synthetic diamond has a thermal conductivity of 2,000-2,500 W/mK compared to 406-429 W/mK for pure silver.

Go to the Company’s home page for info on Thermal performance/Contact and Pressure Testing/Troubleshooting and any other info you would like.
http://www.innovationcooling.com/

Application
Go to this link for correct application methods : >>
http://www.innovationcooling.com/app...structions.htm
Every manufacturer has their own prescribed method of grease application and for this test I would use our method out of the gate and no other. The application method has been tested extensively by us and independently by over 127 forum users. Lines, grains of rice, razor film spreads, BB sized, ultrasonically spread with a vibrator, mixed with other pastes have all been tried. Our recommended application is what works. Application is simple and easy.
You may find Heating it up a little bit makes it a lot easier to get out of the syringe and helps with the spreading so mount the heatsink ASAP after application to CPU.
If you have an HDT cooler you should try using the above method first and the method used for HDT coolers later if you wish to see which works best for you.

Make sure the Heatsink and CPU’s are well cleaned using Isopropyl Alcohol 90%+ pure, Arcti Clean or something similar.

Data Required
I appreciate the effort here from all participating members. What’s different in this test group Vs the others the disabling of the PWM for a constant fan speed comparison to smooth out some of the data and get more of a one on one comparison. Any comments pro or con are welcome as well as any suggestions. There is no bad data in this test it is what it is just report the result.

The data we would like is.
"Before" test data prior to dismantling your system. Make sure all Heatsinks and CPU’s are clean; free from dust securely mounted etc. we would like good data.
1. Ambient temps to be taken at Idle and Load.
2. Idle and load temps obviously.
Use a program like LINPAC, Prime 95 or OCCT and set to max stress the CPU and allow to run for 10-20 minutes or until temps stabilise. Use Core Temp or Real Temp as these seem to give the most accurate readings. Real Temp also shows the max temp each core reaches during the load test. If you use another programme just note down which one.
3. Note initial comparison paste and any exceptional conditions as well as heat sink type.
4. PWM disabled so fan speed is constant for both tests.
5. Note your system specs and settings

Remount with IC Diamond 7 Carat Thermal Compound and repeat as above.
Submit results for any TIM's you use as a comparison also so we can compare results.

Feel free to make any observations, comments or suggestions we are trying to refine our message, application and problem trouble shooting so the information you supply to us is valuable to us and much appreciated
That's basically it you are pretty much on your own, whatever result you get is what it is. I may comment occasionally or suggest trouble shooting points but not much else. At the end of the exercise we will provide a chart of the results with links to the data for viewing and suggested corrections.

Thanks again all for your time and effort!
Andrew aka ICD7
Dicko

[dicko]

Reserved for results.

[dicko]

Reserved for results and findings.

[AussieTemplar]

Originally Posted by dicko

Remount with IC Diamond 7 Carat Thermal Compound and repeat as above.

But when this arrives, data shall be analysed

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Tuniq TX-2

Q6600 G0 @ 3.4Ghz @ 1.45v
Idle Ambient: 18c
Load Ambient: 18c

Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 120mm 1600RPM
Intake: 140mm Thermaltake 1600RPM - Front.
Intake: 2x 120mm Generic 1600RPM - Bottom.
Intake: 230mm Thermaltake 800RPM - Side.
Exhaust: 140mm Thermaltake 1600RPM - Back.
Exhaust: 120mm Zalman 1600RPM - Top.

Idle 0%: 38c, 33c
Load 100%: 58c, 56c
ORTHOS for 6 hours

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ICD7 TIM

Q6600 G0 @ 3.4Ghz @ 1.45v
Idle Ambient: 15c
Load Ambient: 15c

Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 120mm 1600RPM
Intake: 140mm Thermaltake 1600RPM - Front.
Intake: 2x 120mm Generic 1600RPM - Bottom.
Intake: 230mm Thermaltake 800RPM - Side.
Exhaust: 140mm Thermaltake 1600RPM - Back.
Exhaust: 120mm Zalman 1600RPM - Top.

Idle 0%: 34c, 29c
Load 100%: 53c, 52c
ORTHOS for 6 hours

A nice 5c drop for load

[dicko]

Originally Posted by AussieTemplar

But when this arrives, data shall be analysed

Yes we will Analise the results of the submitted data to give a comparison between ICD7 and other TIM's people use at the moment.

[ICD7]

Introducing myself here as ICD7 a.k.a. The Innovation Cooling guy sponsoring this beta test give away a.k.a. Andrew, hello all


A couple of quick points. I noted a question about burn in time on the registration thread and would like to qualify that in a little more detail.

The 2 hour cure time relates to optimal contact and an optimal pressure over 50 lbs.

Low pressure sink mounts under 45 lbs can increase the cure time to several days as it will take the compound longer to resolve to the proper bond line thickness (average particle size)

I'll refer you to our Contact and pressure test results that we ran on several forums as a reference for trouble shooting. Most people get a good result out of the gate (70-80%). Solutions for those that do not were increased heat sink pressure loads and lapping the IHS. A non trivial 9C differences were observed between those that had good contact and pressure and those who had a more optimal result. So mechanical skills are a plus on that account

I would have supplied pressure film for these results but it is a little awkward to organize from the US as I have to have all returned and then sent back out for lab analysis.

Again I appreciate the effort and hope you enjoy the party.

[stuii]

so could you estimate curing time on a dtek fuzion? if it's a week then no probs, I'll post the original TIM results, then a week later do the ic7

since I'll take ambient it doesn't really matter when I do it eh?

[ICD7]

Originally Posted by stuii

so could you estimate curing time on a dtek fuzion? if it's a week then no probs, I'll post the original TIM results, then a week later do the ic7

since I'll take ambient it doesn't really matter when I do it eh?

Correct as long as you have the ambient.

just to note:Fuzion blocks gave us some problems on the contact side of things as I recall related to the balancing of the load. I will dig up some links on those and post later.

Push pins on the stock sinks were a large % of the no result group. those that were improved used an alternate mounting system to increase pressure.

Going to bed it's 2:00 am

[Smokin Whale]

I got my beta sample today, should have some results over the next few days.

[Lardman]

BEFORE ICD AMBIENT RESULTS.

Ambient Idle temp: 26C
Ambient Load temp: 28C
(This is in my room)

Case and Airflow Setup:

2* exhaust Yate Loon 140mm @ 1100 RPM
1*exhaust Noctua NF12 @ 1230 RPM
1* Intake Yate Loon 140mm @ 1300RPM
1*intake 120mm CoolerMaster LED fan @ 1300RPM

CM690

CPU:
Idle:

CPU [CPNS9700NT on an E8400 @4.0 with MX-2] @ 2000 RPM
IDLE: 38C
LOAD: 58C
GPU1 [HD 4850@670 Accelero Twin Turbo using MX-2 preapplied] 950RPM
IDLE: 48C
LOAD: 67C
GPU2 [HD 4850@670 Accelero Twin turbo using MX-2 - peadrop meathod]950RPM
IDLE: 44C
LOAD: 55C

With ICD on all parts:

CPU [CPNS9700NT on an E8400 @4.0] @ 2000 RPM
IDLE: 34
LOAD: 55
GPU1 [HD 4850@670 Accelero Twin Turbo] 950RPM
IDLE: 40
LOAD: 68
GPU2 [HD 4850@670 Accelero Twin turbo]950RPM
IDLE: 39
LOAD: 52

Notes:
GPU2 has more airflow, GPU1 runs ~5 degrees hotter than GPU2 because it's got about 4mm clearance from GPU2

Load testing is 6 minutes @ 100% load on whichever core.

Thoughts:
GPU1 really shows that a lack of airflow can HURT when under load.
So... yeah The increased temps on ICD7 show that it's just a huge airflow issue.

[EvilGenius]

Okedokey.. I've completed testing on two systems now. I stated in the original thread that I had after initial testing found IC7 to be roughly equal with AS5, and was subsequently requested to read the application instructions, but I had already done so. Despite this I repeated the testing on the initial system, and then tested on a second to confirm. After testing both systems twice I can only conclude that what has been already stated by IC7 is true:

Originally Posted by ICD7

Push pins on the stock sinks were a large % of the no result group. those that were improved used an alternate mounting system to increase pressure.

I used an airconditioned environment maintained at ~22°C, tested with Prime95 and measured temperature with Coretemp 0.99.

You will notice a difference in the time prime95 was run for between the Arctic Silver testing and IC7 testing, this is because I re ran the tests, but found no difference in testing with the AS5 results, so I kept the original screen caps. I did noticed an improvement in the IC7 results, although I'm not sure what produced them. Mounting method was the same, application of IC7 to the cpu was the same, and if my little digital thermometer is to be believed, ambient temps remained roughly the same. I had also previously run the stress test on the IC7 install for several hours to let it settle in as suggested, but in both runs I noticed no increase in temperature past the 10min mark in both tests, so felt that a screen cap at ~25-30mins would be sufficient.



The test rigs were:

My HTPC:

Q6600@ 3.24ghz 1.425v bios 1.328-1.344v windows load 1.376 windows idle
Scythe Ninja Mini Cooler with 92mm ~50cfm Sunon fan
GA-P35-DS3
4gb Team Elite
Gainward 8600GT
Corsair HX620
Silverstone LC-17 with 2 92mm intake fans and 4 80mm exhausts.

My main rig:

Q9450 @ 3.4ghz 1.375v bios 1.344v windows load 1.360v windows idle
3R System Iceage 120 cooler
GA-P35-DS3P
4gb Gskill PI
ECS 8800GT
Corsair HX620
Coolermaster Stacker 810, erm, lots of intake and exhaust fans...



HTPC Testing..

Arctic Silver 5.

Idle temps: 34, 31, 26, 26
Load temps: 61, 60, 56, 56



IC7.

Idle temps: 40, 38, 33, 33
Load temps: 65, 65, 60, 60




Main Rig Testing..

Arctic Silver 5.

Idle temps: 54, 45, 49, 54
Load temps: 71, 63, 65, 69



IC7.

Idle temps: 53, 49, 53, 44
Load temps: 68, 63, 67, 60




Some possibly mathematically irrelevant numbers for you...


Average temperature increase between AS5 and IC7 on both testbeds...

Arctic Silver HTPC
IDLE 34 31 26 26 Avg = 29.25
LOAD 61 60 56 56 AVG = 58.25 Temp increase = 29

IC7 HTPC
IDLE 40 28 33 33 Avg = 33.5
LOAD 65 65 60 60 Avg = 62.5 Temp increase = 29

Arctic Silver Main Rig
IDLE 54 45 49 54 Avg = 50.5
Load 71 63 65 69 Avg = 67 Temp Increase = 16.5

IC7 Main Rig
IDLE 53 49 53 44 Avg = 51.66666667
LOAD 68 63 67 60 Avg = 64.5 Temp Increase = 12.83333333




I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions from these results.



Thanks to IC Diamond for sending out the sample

[ICD7]

Originally Posted by stuii

so could you estimate curing time on a dtek fuzion? if it's a week then no probs, I'll post the original TIM results, then a week later do the ic7

since I'll take ambient it doesn't really matter when I do it eh?

stuii, here is one of the links on the fuzion contact/pressure tests I promised

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=410

There are a couple of others but basically getting good contact is an artful endeavor

[dicko]

Looks like only people in Qld and NT have received the ICD7 at this stage.
Sorry for that but as i am in Far Nth Qld it may take till Mon - Tues for the rest of you to get it.
The Post Office did say it should get to everyone by early next week.
I did not get it to the Post Office till closing time on Tuesday last week, so it did not really leave there till sometime Wednesday Morning.
Thanks for your patience.

[AussieTemplar]

I've updated my post with my Tuniq TX-2 results. Will fill in ICD7 when I get it.

[Spamz0r]

Ok I have just finished testing, compared to my AS5

SUMMARY:

IDLE: NO CHANGE
LOAD: -6c DROP!!

AS5 IDLE, E8600 1.4V 535 * 8 - ambient 28.8c - 35c 39c 35c (avg 36.3c)


AS5 LOAD, E8600 1.4V 535 * 8 - ambient 28.6c - 67c 68c 66c (avg 67.33c)


ID7 IDLE, E8600 1.4V 535 * 8 - ambient 28.6c - 35c 39c 34c (avg 36c)


ID7 LOAD MOUNT 1, E8600 1.4V 535 * 8 - ambient 28.4c - 61c 61c 61c (avg 61c)


ID7 LOAD MOUNT 2, E8600 1.4V 535 * 8 - ambient 28.4c - 61c 60c 61c (avg 60.66c)


Notes: Using a Thermalright Ultra 120, some pretty low CFM Scythe fan. The application has to be glob style, I had a go with a razor blade but that stuff is rock hard you need to spread it via pressure mount. The thermalright ultra seems perfectly suited for this paste :-)