OnLive Announced, Cloud Streaming Service Plans to Change PC Gaming.. - Page 2

proffesso · 24th March 2009, 8:56 PM

100mbit here, bring it on.

its the future, we are going back to terminals again.....good thing is, cloud computing like this will let us run the latest stuff, without upgrading everytime, but also saves on power (think big, not 1 pc = 1 user)

im looking forward to setting up an amazon ec2 account, then I can just pay for whatever cpu usage I need for my renders (very cheaply too)

home pc's dont really need to get faster, and people just want smaller and more portable (hence laptops selling much more than desktops now)...wanna play crysis on your netbook?

bring it on

Edit: http://aws.amazon.com/what-is-aws/ have a read

r8response · 24th March 2009, 9:07 PM

Isn't this or something close to what Gizmondo tried and ultimately failed to do?

Super Crazy · 25th March 2009, 1:08 AM

20MB here...................

BUT this is not going to work for aussies at all I'm sorry to say.

It doesn't matter how good this product is cos we simply won't have the bandwidth quota to handle 720P streaming.

I don't know how accurate this example might be but on apple.com/trailers - 720P trailers frequently are over 100MB worth of data for a minute and a bit.

gregpolk · 25th March 2009, 1:28 AM

Of course not but wh would they care about aussies we wouldn't make them any money. Stick a server in New York and Tokyo and watch the dollar dollar bills roll in, if they can market it well and it actually works.

ProphecyKnthrak · 25th March 2009, 4:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Crazy

I don't know how accurate this example might be but on apple.com/trailers - 720P trailers frequently are over 100MB worth of data for a minute and a bit.

yeah buit the dickheads @ APple trailers dont know how to encode. THey also get the studios to encode for them n Apple just hosts the trailers...

... ALSO... Apple uses one of the WORST encoders! They dont even compress all the data (mostly audio) when doing the trailer. Thats y when other studios do the encodes (like WB), u will find their filesizes a 1/4 smaller

As for gaming, I see this as for the casual gamer. Thought this technology was about 10-15 years away. Movie streaming on demand @ home is still not 100%. As all u have pointed out, Australia telecommunication totally SUCKS ARSE!!!!!

But........ im so not getting a console anymore!! Sitting to my Wii for the gimmick!

Luke212 · 25th March 2009, 7:44 AM

this is what im trying to do with my cloud real time ray trace engine. its good to see other people trying it, im sure they have much more resources than I do.

SupaGu · 25th March 2009, 12:20 PM

erm, if you ping your isp its about 16-25ms. so to send our keyboard input/mouse movement takes say 16ms at best, 25ms at worst
it therefore takes at best 32ms and 50ms at worst to get a response back to you based on your input, if the game runs at 60fps it will take a further 16ms on thier end to generate a frame from your input, thats 48ms to 100ms all up, which is way to much for action games, especially first person shooters.

considering i wont even join a multiplayer game if it pings above 80ms :P

proffesso · 25th March 2009, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SupaGu

erm, if you ping your isp its about 16-25ms. so to send our keyboard input/mouse movement takes say 16ms at best, 25ms at worst
it therefore takes at best 32ms and 50ms at worst to get a response back to you based on your input, if the game runs at 60fps it will take a further 16ms on thier end to generate a frame from your input, thats 48ms to 100ms all up, which is way to much for action games, especially first person shooters.

considering i wont even join a multiplayer game if it pings above 80ms :P

5ms ping here.

gizmo_melb · 25th March 2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by walker_2003

humm what about multiplayer call of duty etc, how do the games authenticate to xbox servers etc?

they run their own local servers - so there wouldn't be any multiplayer lag at all - if there's any lag involved anywhere it would be streaming the video back to the players.

I like the concept, but it'll be many years before it becomes commercial / practical to an internet backwater like us - there'd be too much lag (unless they had local aus streaming game servers).

power · 25th March 2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Crazy

20MB here...................

BUT this is not going to work for aussies at all I'm sorry to say.

It doesn't matter how good this product is cos we simply won't have the bandwidth quota to handle 720P streaming.

I don't know how accurate this example might be but on apple.com/trailers - 720P trailers frequently are over 100MB worth of data for a minute and a bit.

just need higher data limits, it is definitely all about quota.

i can stream those 720p trailers with ease on just a TPG ADSL2+ connection.

Philll · 25th March 2009, 1:29 PM

What if something screws up on their end for extended periods of time? You can't play.

How will they deal with ALL those connections at once?

No hard copy anymore?

Can you mod games?

Will they always upgrade their stuff straight away?

Obvious lag issues. Everyone has them over the net every now and then with any connection, a game that could have been played locally can now stuff up at any time depending on one of the many things that can happen on their end.

Sounds ok for consoles, leave PC's alone. Once tards can play PC games on their TV's, I wouldn't expect PC games to be challenging anymore.

proffesso · 25th March 2009, 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Philll

Sounds ok for consoles, leave PC's alone. Once tards can play PC games on their TV's, I wouldn't expect PC games to be challenging anymore.

what does it matter what screen people want to play on?

do you care if your playing someone on a 17" crt, vs that of a 30" lcd?

Ospi · 25th March 2009, 3:33 PM

Interesting idea, but I query whether the infrastructure would be there for it to be liable. But let's wait and see!

walker_2003 · 25th March 2009, 4:54 PM

even if this works it will dl @ like 500kb\sec there goes your monthly usage, quickly!

DiGiTaL MoNkEY · 25th March 2009, 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by walker_2003

even if this works it will dl @ like 500kb\sec there goes your monthly usage, quickly!

At the moment there are beta sign-ups on their website, its only for US residents which is no surprise considering it will be probably aimed for their market

considering the download caps or lack of caps they have.

http://www.onlive.com/beta_program.html

I haven't bother to try and put fake US details, but if someone is keen post up your results.

24th March 2009, 8:56 PM	#16
proffesso Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Watsonia, Melbourne Posts: 8,643	100mbit here, bring it on. its the future, we are going back to terminals again.....good thing is, cloud computing like this will let us run the latest stuff, without upgrading everytime, but also saves on power (think big, not 1 pc = 1 user) im looking forward to setting up an amazon ec2 account, then I can just pay for whatever cpu usage I need for my renders (very cheaply too) home pc's dont really need to get faster, and people just want smaller and more portable (hence laptops selling much more than desktops now)...wanna play crysis on your netbook? bring it on Edit: http://aws.amazon.com/what-is-aws/ have a read __________________ If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried.

25th March 2009, 1:08 AM	#18
Super Crazy Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Doncaster East Posts: 650	20MB here................... BUT this is not going to work for aussies at all I'm sorry to say. It doesn't matter how good this product is cos we simply won't have the bandwidth quota to handle 720P streaming. I don't know how accurate this example might be but on apple.com/trailers - 720P trailers frequently are over 100MB worth of data for a minute and a bit. __________________ AMD x6 1055T @ 3.8GHZ \| 2 X ATI RADEON 5970 \| G-SKILL 4GB DDR3 \| ASUS CROSSHAIR IV FORMULA \|

25th March 2009, 7:44 AM	#21
Luke212 Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NSW Posts: 6,540	this is what im trying to do with my cloud real time ray trace engine. its good to see other people trying it, im sure they have much more resources than I do. __________________ Democracy's greatest trick was convincing man he was informed.

25th March 2009, 1:29 PM	#26
Philll Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NSW Posts: 10,963	What if something screws up on their end for extended periods of time? You can't play. How will they deal with ALL those connections at once? No hard copy anymore? Can you mod games? Will they always upgrade their stuff straight away? Obvious lag issues. Everyone has them over the net every now and then with any connection, a game that could have been played locally can now stuff up at any time depending on one of the many things that can happen on their end. Sounds ok for consoles, leave PC's alone. Once tards can play PC games on their TV's, I wouldn't expect PC games to be challenging anymore. __________________ Steam \| Pay less for Steam games \| 'Linux gaming'

25th March 2009, 3:33 PM	#28
Ospi Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 8,052	Interesting idea, but I query whether the infrastructure would be there for it to be liable. But let's wait and see! __________________ Intel i7 2600 \| Gigabyte GA-H67A-UD3H-B3 \| Corsair PC-10600 6GB \| Nvidia GTX570 OC \| SilverStone ST85F-P 850W Strider Plus \| Fractal Design Define R3 RenaultSport Clio 197

24th March 2009, 9:07 PM	#17
r8response Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sunshine Coast Posts: 4,220	Isn't this or something close to what Gizmondo tried and ultimately failed to do?

25th March 2009, 1:28 AM	#19
gregpolk Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,378	Of course not but wh would they care about aussies we wouldn't make them any money. Stick a server in New York and Tokyo and watch the dollar dollar bills roll in, if they can market it well and it actually works.

25th March 2009, 12:20 PM	#22
SupaGu Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 453	erm, if you ping your isp its about 16-25ms. so to send our keyboard input/mouse movement takes say 16ms at best, 25ms at worst it therefore takes at best 32ms and 50ms at worst to get a response back to you based on your input, if the game runs at 60fps it will take a further 16ms on thier end to generate a frame from your input, thats 48ms to 100ms all up, which is way to much for action games, especially first person shooters. considering i wont even join a multiplayer game if it pings above 80ms :P

25th March 2009, 4:54 PM	#29
walker_2003 Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canberra Posts: 4,404	even if this works it will dl @ like 500kb\sec there goes your monthly usage, quickly! __________________ My rig i7-2600k@4.6 \| Z68X-UD7\| 16 GIG \| GTX 680 Direct CUII 4gig \| 120 Intel 520 \| Win 7 64-Bit \| D5 & XSPC W/C \| 800D \| 24" ASUS 120hz I am the 120fps Nazi wanted: gtx 690 stock cooler to buy/borrow.