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[Autti]

Originally Posted by lowdog

We have ATI to thank atm for reasonable prices for cards like 5870 and not nVidia. If the 300 series had launched first then it may indeed preform better than the 5xxx series from ATI but we woluld be paying through the teeth for sure.

You always pay through the teeth for performance. But there actually is a reason Nvidia's cards as of late have been expensive. They are huge! Have a look at the chip sizes they are almost double the ATI die size! And silicon wafer isn't cheap! Let alone yields would be lower from the increased size. It all adds up to a more expensive card.

[impact_player]

Originally Posted by bakasan

20% improvement for close to double the price ...Same shit really.. Forgive me if I still think it's kind of crap for what you actually get..

In addition to not being able to do simple maths, you can't read, can you?

Go back and look at my post under yours - which is not the one you quoted, which was doing the numbers to show why it was 20% - where I explained that within a matter of weeks the 5850 should be better value than a 4890.

Originally Posted by lowdog

Man the 5870 is on equal grounds with the 295 and if you read all the reviews even beats it at higher res with high AA + AF because the 295 is more bandwidth limited.

The 5870 has DX11, eyefinity and whatever other blah blah for $520/$580 bucks at release. In my mind the 5870 shits on the 295 which retailed for what, $900+ ? at first release. The 295 is a sli card so driver profiles are needed and we all know sli has it's failings yet the 5870 is a single card so that in itself is a bonus.

Frick!, what did people expect.......1,000,000 times the preformance of a 295

ATI have priced this nice 5870 at just over $500 AU bucks that has better preformance at high res with high AA + AF in certain senarios than both 4870x2 and 295 and similar preformance in most cases and they still complain
.

Particularly agree on the italicised part....and all this performance for what price exactly, $200?

Agreed. Recent launches show that the previous gen dual GPU cards are nominally similar, if not slightly higher, performers. As if you would choose the previous gen card if you didn't have either. If you've got a GTX295, why would you want to upgrade for performance reasons anyway?

[Beaistheman]

Originally Posted by bakasan

20% improvement for close to double the price ...Same shit really.. Forgive me if I still think it's kind of crap for what you actually get..

look at the price of the 4870x2 compared to the 4890? double price for how much performance? im sure 2x4890s would outperform the 4870x2, same with 2xgtx285s compared to the 295. its all the same, just computer pricing. I think your name suits u by the way. ばかさん

[bakasan]

Originally Posted by lowdog

Man the 5870 is on equal grounds with the 295 and if you read all the reviews even beats it at higher res with high AA + AF because the 295 is more bandwidth limited.

The 295 is still the king no doubt about it which is kind of sad when you think about it. It highlights not much movement speed wise has been done in the last year. Yes it is dual gpu but lets not kid ourselves that a 5870 is better than a 295.

[B4TM4N]

Sapphire Radeon HD5870 1GB
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I wonder when the HD5850 is coming?

[bakasan]

Originally Posted by Beaistheman

look at the price of the 4870x2 compared to the 4890? double price for how much performance?

Right now with a 4890 being $220 it doesn't make much sense to go for a 4870x2... Compare that now with 2x4890's to one 5850 and the performance it brings. Sure as time moves on the 4890 senario will be replaced by the 5850 in the argument but not today.

[hellaflush]

Originally Posted by DiGiTaL MoNkEY

Indeed, not sure how it will be priced, but i hope they overclock it well and the cooling is up to par.

2GB version might be coming too! heheeh *looks at hellaflush*

unfortunately due to customer reviews of the vapor-x previous models im very turned off by vapor-x design and implementation

ill be hanging out for asus/powercolor 2gb cards wether they be reference "Six" or aftermarket

http://www.techpowerup.com/104447/Sa...X_Spotted.html

a handheld view of the card

oh and AMD GPU Clock tool for oc'ing the 58xx cards... does this mean no ATI overdrive moving forward?

http://www.guru3d.com/news.html#10049

Originally Posted by guru3d

For this interested until we can safely release Rivatuner 2.25, here is the Overclocking and Monitoring Tool from AMD lets you overclock the HD 5870, also you can change the voltages and monitor sensors.

[Digit]

Originally Posted by bakasan

The 295 is still the king no doubt about it which is kind of sad when you think about it. It highlights not much movement speed wise has been done in the last year. Yes it is dual gpu but lets not kid ourselves that a 5870 is better than a 295.

Dude, release drivers !!! 295's drivers have had time to mature, and it really doesnt beat it by that much. and not much SPEED MOVEMENT !!! are you kidding ? we're achieving almost double last gen's tech, with reference cards and release drivers.

This is majorly good, and that's just speed not to mention the deatures you get, ie DX11, low power usage, good temps and NEARLY THE SAME PERFORMANCE AS A 295, all on one gpu . . . and for less price and that's at a launch price . . .

EDIT: baka, are you talking about crossfiring 4890's ?? cuz if you are your price argument kinda goes out the window, 2x220 = 440

[hellaflush]

Originally Posted by bakasan

The 295 is still the king no doubt about it which is kind of sad when you think about it. It highlights not much movement speed wise has been done in the last year. Yes it is dual gpu but lets not kid ourselves that a 5870 is better than a 295.

in some areas it exceeds the 295 in an FPS arena... but please people stop looking at just benches when comparing price and old gen cards (295/4890/4870x2)

take into consideration overclocking (current reviews have all been pussies when it comes to clocking the 5870)

power consumption

dx11

a SINGLE gpu card... not dual like 295/4870x2

gpu process streaming

and pre-release drivers...

any ATI owners will know youre looking at 3months for marginal increase in performance if lucky but ultimately you will really see your card shine @ the 6-9month driver mark... thats when they stop going back and forth and its all forward in performance!

[lowdog]

Originally Posted by bakasan

The 295 is still the king no doubt about it which is kind of sad when you think about it. It highlights not much movement speed wise has been done in the last year. Yes it is dual gpu but lets not kid ourselves that a 5870 is better than a 295.

Total BLAH at your comments I must say!

Read it and weeeeep 295 lover!

DX11 preformance.


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[adamsleath]

You always pay through the teeth for performance.

especially that last 10%

yes, for those going multi monitor, wont you need the 2gb cards?

[eva2000]

Only thing to wait for now is confirmation of how well the drivers fair for crossfire with 2x, 3x and 4x HD5870. Shane/TOX how do 3x and 4x HD5870 fair ?

[DiGiTaL MoNkEY]

5870 and 5850 crossfire results...something to give us an idea of what the 5870x2 can do?

http://techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/R...870_CrossFire/

**Using HD 58xx: 8.66 RC6 (AMD recommended reviewer driver).

Pro's vs Con's..

Pro:
•Blistering performance at high resolutions
•Support for DirectX 11, DirectX 10.1
•Some things just look better in pairs™
•Low idle power consumptions of each card makes overall idle power draw comfortable
•Excusably quiet in idle
•GDDR5 memory
•Support for software based voltage control
•Support for AMD EyeFinity Technology
•Native HDMI & DisplayPort
•Improvements to integrated HDMI audio device

Con:
•Not meant for resolutions lower than 1080p
•Requires a CrossFire supportive motherboard with two PCI-Express slots
•At its high price, it loses competiveness
•In a pair, HD 5870 heats up the case pretty bad
•DirectX 11 won't be relevant for quite a while
•No support for CUDA / PhysX

[MomijiTMO]

What is this shit? Oh boo hoo my card is outdated and the next gen card beats it/comes close etc? Com'on no one has infinite finances.

Anyways, I still think the 295 is a great card and is able to trade some blows with this freak of a red card. Now if it didn't. . . all hail ATI, ATI is great, ATI forgives, ATI is God.

Originally Posted by lowdog

Total BLAH at your comments I must say!

Read it and weeeeep 295 lover!

DX11 preformance.

The guy is a lost cause but seriously who is going to compare DX11 on a DX10 only capable card???? It's just . .. stupid. I know you need to put it in a review to demonstrate the impact of DX11 on DX10 hardware but that's hardly something to use as ammo in a debate.

[eva2000]

Originally Posted by MomijiTMO

What is this shit? Oh boo hoo my card is outdated and the next gen card beats it/comes close etc? Com'on no one has infinite finances.

Anyways, I still think the 295 is a great card and is able to trade some blows with this freak of a red card. Now if it didn't. . . all hail ATI, ATI is great, ATI forgives, ATI is God.

All we need is nvidia to follow ATI's footsteps and offer GTX 300 series at bargain prices LOL