Networking - Seperate Rooms

memyselfi · 30th May 2009, 3:03 PM

Hello

Not sure if I have the right place (or forum for that matter,but found this by doing a google search), but wondering if someone could help.

I have two PC's - 1 x Vista and 1 x XP. I have no issue with networking these two together using my Open24RLW wireless router when they are in the same room. I Can view files from each other and access the internet from both PC's without issue when connected.

Question I have though is. I have recently moved into a new property (villa) that has a cat5e wall socket in one room and another in the lounge room. What I'd like to do is move the XP PC out to the lounge and connect it to the TV (Pansonic 42'' Plasma). That part is the easy part. No issue there, but I am unable to work out how to 'network' the two PC's once they are in seperate rooms.

I have connected them this way at the moment, but the XP PC in the lounge cannot access the internet and the Vista PC in the other room is not able to pick up that there is another PC on the network.

Room 1
Vista PC is connected to Modem via Cable to PC -
Phone line from modem to wall
Have used another Cat5e cable from modem to the Cat5E wall socket.

Lounge Room

Cat5e Wall socket to ethernet port on XP machine.

As above, I cannot access the internet or view the Vista PC nor can I see the XP PC from the Vista PC.

I have been told to find the central point, as if there is two Cat5e wall sockets, apparently there is a central point, but I cannot figure out where that is and I have looked.

Am I missing something? Do I need another router/hub/switch connected to the PC in the lounge room? Or do I really need to find the central point and put a router/hub/switch there?

Thanks

Mary...

Bogus Jimmy · 30th May 2009, 3:31 PM

It sounds like the Cat5e wall sockets in Room 1 and your Lounge Room are not the terminating point for the same cable.

Do the sockets have numbers on them? As it seems others have mentioned, it's likely that the house will have multiple outlets that all terminate at the same point (a single wall plate with as many sockets on it, hopefully numbered, as there are sockets around the house; maybe an office or even a cupboard). This would be the best place to put your router, but otherwise you could just connect each of these points to a switch.

memyselfi · 30th May 2009, 4:35 PM

Thanks for the reply.

No, neither socket has a number on it.

I have found a grey box in the hall cupboard, which I'm a little reluctant to open. It is connected to a power point and has 'do not unplug' on it. Maybe that's where the terminating point is. (amongst other things//).

What would the terminating point look like?

I might try your other suggestion and use a switch at both ends and see what happens.

Thanks again...

Bogus Jimmy · 30th May 2009, 4:46 PM

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Once you've found the point where all the points terminate, you can either connect all these points to your router (relocating your router & modem as long as you also have a phone line there - or you can use a switch). It might just be a plate on the wall similar to the others, but with multiple outlets. Or it could be as much as a 19" rack (a box on the wall about 20" wide with a door)

As I said, it's most likely these points you've found aren't connected but this could be confirmed with a LAN Cable Tester (hopefully you can find someone to borrow one from but you can buy one for $50-$100).

You might need to take the plunge and open the box (and maybe post a photo).

memyselfi · 30th May 2009, 5:26 PM

Ok...

Have uploaded two photos.

Photo 1 - wall socket in room 1. Next to it is another socket, which to me looks like an aerial connection. The lounge room has the same cat5e wall socket, with aerial socket and another wall socket, that I've been told is the one for foxtel (which is not connected and the previous owners did not use).

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5277/photo1wall.jpg

Photo 2 - inside the grey box....this I can now see is the box for the alarm system. (alarm system is not back to base)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/134...idegreybox.jpg

Bogus Jimmy · 30th May 2009, 5:42 PM

Yep, you've got yourself an alarm there.

If you've searched every wall, cupboard, etc and can't find any other points then it's possible that the 2 points you've found are directly connected, but if that was the case then the XP PC would have connectivity.

Does the XP machine show any signs it's connected to a LAN/Network? Do you have the two little computers icon in the system tray in the bottom right hand corner (system tray)?

toopy28 · 30th May 2009, 5:55 PM

plug a phone in and see if it has dial tone.

make sure you unplug everything else first, it could be phone wiring.

memyselfi · 30th May 2009, 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogus Jimmy

Yep, you've got yourself an alarm there.

Does the XP machine show any signs it's connected to a LAN/Network? Do you have the two little computers icon in the system tray in the bottom right hand corner (system tray)?

Now I am feeling a little dum....

Anyway, I have now managed after playing around again by swapping the cat5e cables around (one from the modem to the wall) and from the wall to the XP machine in the lounge room). I then was able to pick up the network icon and I clicked 'repaired'. Note: It did not work prior to me swapping the cables around....not sure why, though one is grey and the other is white....

I can now:

Access the internet on the XP machine (which is in the lounge room)
can view and access the XP machine & files from the vista machine
can view the file directory of the Vista Machine on the XP machine but I am not able to access the drives or data for the Vista PC via the XP machine. I get a error message to contact the administrator.
I can ping the XP machine via the Vista Machine but when I ping the Vista Machine via the XP Machine (it's unreachable) - I used the troubleshooting guide - http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...d.php?t=666724 to do this. So this means I have a gateway issue. Will need to figure out how to fix that...
I have also On BOTH PCs, type in PING 127.0.0.1 and hit Enter and I get a reply.

Thankyou for your help....

JohnZ · 30th May 2009, 8:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfi

I have also On BOTH PCs, type in PING 127.0.0.1 and hit Enter and I get a reply.

You can do that without a network

You're just pinging the machine you're on.

30th May 2009, 3:03 PM	#1
memyselfi Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5	Networking - Seperate Rooms Hello Not sure if I have the right place (or forum for that matter,but found this by doing a google search), but wondering if someone could help. I have two PC's - 1 x Vista and 1 x XP. I have no issue with networking these two together using my Open24RLW wireless router when they are in the same room. I Can view files from each other and access the internet from both PC's without issue when connected. Question I have though is. I have recently moved into a new property (villa) that has a cat5e wall socket in one room and another in the lounge room. What I'd like to do is move the XP PC out to the lounge and connect it to the TV (Pansonic 42'' Plasma). That part is the easy part. No issue there, but I am unable to work out how to 'network' the two PC's once they are in seperate rooms. I have connected them this way at the moment, but the XP PC in the lounge cannot access the internet and the Vista PC in the other room is not able to pick up that there is another PC on the network. Room 1 Vista PC is connected to Modem via Cable to PC - Phone line from modem to wall Have used another Cat5e cable from modem to the Cat5E wall socket. Lounge Room Cat5e Wall socket to ethernet port on XP machine. As above, I cannot access the internet or view the Vista PC nor can I see the XP PC from the Vista PC. I have been told to find the central point, as if there is two Cat5e wall sockets, apparently there is a central point, but I cannot figure out where that is and I have looked. Am I missing something? Do I need another router/hub/switch connected to the PC in the lounge room? Or do I really need to find the central point and put a router/hub/switch there? Thanks Mary...

30th May 2009, 3:31 PM	#2
Bogus Jimmy Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle NSW Posts: 1,430	It sounds like the Cat5e wall sockets in Room 1 and your Lounge Room are not the terminating point for the same cable. Do the sockets have numbers on them? As it seems others have mentioned, it's likely that the house will have multiple outlets that all terminate at the same point (a single wall plate with as many sockets on it, hopefully numbered, as there are sockets around the house; maybe an office or even a cupboard). This would be the best place to put your router, but otherwise you could just connect each of these points to a switch. __________________ *I have a Mac and* a PC** Last edited by Bogus Jimmy; 30th May 2009 at 4:30 PM.

30th May 2009, 4:46 PM	#4
Bogus Jimmy Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle NSW Posts: 1,430	Sorry, I wasn't clear. Once you've found the point where all the points terminate, you can either connect all these points to your router (relocating your router & modem as long as you also have a phone line there - or you can use a switch). It might just be a plate on the wall similar to the others, but with multiple outlets. Or it could be as much as a 19" rack (a box on the wall about 20" wide with a door) As I said, it's most likely these points you've found aren't connected but this could be confirmed with a LAN Cable Tester (hopefully you can find someone to borrow one from but you can buy one for $50-$100). You might need to take the plunge and open the box (and maybe post a photo). __________________ *I have a Mac and* a PC** Last edited by Bogus Jimmy; 30th May 2009 at 4:53 PM.

30th May 2009, 5:26 PM	#5
memyselfi Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5	Ok... Have uploaded two photos. Photo 1 - wall socket in room 1. Next to it is another socket, which to me looks like an aerial connection. The lounge room has the same cat5e wall socket, with aerial socket and another wall socket, that I've been told is the one for foxtel (which is not connected and the previous owners did not use). http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5277/photo1wall.jpg Photo 2 - inside the grey box....this I can now see is the box for the alarm system. (alarm system is not back to base) http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/134...idegreybox.jpg Last edited by memyselfi; 30th May 2009 at 5:29 PM. Reason: additional info

30th May 2009, 5:42 PM	#6
Bogus Jimmy Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newcastle NSW Posts: 1,430	Yep, you've got yourself an alarm there. If you've searched every wall, cupboard, etc and can't find any other points then it's possible that the 2 points you've found are directly connected, but if that was the case then the XP PC would have connectivity. Does the XP machine show any signs it's connected to a LAN/Network? Do you have the two little computers icon in the system tray in the bottom right hand corner (system tray)? __________________ *I have a Mac and* a PC**

30th May 2009, 4:35 PM	#3
memyselfi Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 5	Thanks for the reply. No, neither socket has a number on it. I have found a grey box in the hall cupboard, which I'm a little reluctant to open. It is connected to a power point and has 'do not unplug' on it. Maybe that's where the terminating point is. (amongst other things//). What would the terminating point look like? I might try your other suggestion and use a switch at both ends and see what happens. Thanks again...

30th May 2009, 5:55 PM	#7
toopy28 Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gammanville Posts: 695	plug a phone in and see if it has dial tone. make sure you unplug everything else first, it could be phone wiring. __________________ I can see the Light!