Battlefield 3

[mecka]

Originally Posted by Ch4iS

As long as you didnt have a bunch of tarts blowing up the (your teams) jets ect, and you took the enemy airbase you pretty much won as US. Everyone rushes to the tips of the island then when the airbase is being capped no one is close enough to defend it, only the nubs left back waiting for the 2nd jet are there.

Reading about BF3 makes me want to get BF2 again , Play on max graphics this time since its so old.

The days of getting the first jet only to be kicked because of teamkills, those were the days.

The trick always was to grab your jet, bail over the airfield, spawn squad.... kill.

[mitsimonsta]

Originally Posted by mecka

The trick always was to grab your jet, bail over the airfield, spawn squad.... kill.

Could never get a pub squad to understand that....... They never realised the value of spawning on the squad leader (and having a medic attached to his arse to keep him alive).

Takes playing a ladder to really 'get' the game.

Edit: To see Mecka on the other team was always worrying, and if he was on yours then you always rushed into his squad.

[mecka]

Nah squadding in pubs was easy - a mic was useful for that sorta thing.

[mitsimonsta]

I virtually always had a mic. They would not listen to you, they just wanted the Jets or Apache.

There really needed to be a 'block squad spawn' button for a squad leader. Basically switch it off and get into position (at a flag) at the start of a round, switch on, insta-cap.

After a couple of weeks, players would 'get it' and you'd never have to use it again.

[Herbo]

Originally Posted by C0ncrete

I actually can't wait for BF3. I loved the game so much its just when it got down to the real nitty gritty preassure wars it became annoying.

Being on vent with mates c4'ing and prone jumping it up on pubs was some of the best fun in gaming I've ever had.

Yep and I bet you're the type to bring an 80 into a lowbie area in WoW and have fun with that too. You enjoyed it because you knew it was ghey and it was pissing people off. That's just the kind of person you are.

BTW kit swapping WAS considered an exploit in the ladder from memory. How could it not be? "Oh look I'm out of nades, hey team mate, come kill me then revive me so I can kit swap to supply class". I also agree though that while +plus exploited, they were the were the better team, they had talented players and their ability to reorganise was second to none.

Originally Posted by AcCeSs-DeNieD

The whole 'exploiting' argument has been done many times to death in the BF community. (ie. its pretty much neverending). My stance is similar to that of Tinian.

All opportunities are there for you to take, I applaud the creative thinking of anyone who comes up with a new way to take the game to the next level or mentality or venturing further into the game's depth. A game like bf2 w/o out of the box thinking like the simply going out of bounds around an obstacle, c4 warriors, leader rotations, prone jumping, etc would become boring. Puts people out of their comfort zone when they see this, which often results in negative feedback or someone crying heretic!.

Again, expect BF3 to have little niche things like its former predecessors and expect a small group of people to find these things out, resulting in more cries of 'burn heretic!!', which no offense to the bf2 community but objectively speaking out of all the australian gaming communities, the bf2 community does tend to be a bit more sensitive to this.

Maybe Australians have more of a "fair go" attitude? Now things like squad leader rotations and going out of bounds etc I don't consider exploits, I consider them what you consider them. However when the devs specifically state they didn't intend people to be able to dolphin dive or chuck C4 AND fix it, how is it not an exploit? You could chuck C4 for miles and you could make it so only your head was a target as it bounced around in the air while you shot at people. While looking extremely retarded it just wasn't sportsmanlike at all.

Also thought one of the reasons aK disbanded was because someone ran off with the money from one of their comps? And after playing briefly with Landaxe (sister hacks aside) I actually have a lot more respect for the guy. He was always trying to make gaming bigger in Australia and had to battle the devil of MMO's with his teams. A guy with good intentions but with a do anything at all to win no matter what attitude.

[Fresh79]

BF2 for me was Sharqi with US Engineer. Shotgun rapage FTW!

[Tinian]

Originally Posted by Spyder6052

sadly was lost to the aids ridden world of gaycraft

Panther doesn't play WoW.

Originally Posted by Herbo

Yep and I bet you're the type to bring an 80 into a lowbie area in WoW and have fun with that too. You enjoyed it because you knew it was ghey and it was pissing people off. That's just the kind of person you are.

There's a long list of people who do that, especially those who still pub BF2 for shits and giggles and don't care about their precious stats.

Originally Posted by Herbo

BTW kit swapping WAS considered an exploit in the ladder from memory. How could it not be? "Oh look I'm out of nades, hey team mate, come kill me then revive me so I can kit swap to supply class". I also agree though that while +plus exploited, they were the were the better team, they had talented players and their ability to reorganise was second to none.

The GA ruling happened after - not before iirc.

Originally Posted by Herbo

Maybe Australians have more of a "fair go" attitude? Now things like squad leader rotations and going out of bounds etc I don't consider exploits, I consider them what you consider them. However when the devs specifically state they didn't intend people to be able to dolphin dive or chuck C4 AND fix it, how is it not an exploit? You could chuck C4 for miles and you could make it so only your head was a target as it bounced around in the air while you shot at people. While looking extremely retarded it just wasn't sportsmanlike at all.

It's an exploit if after they fix it you can still do it - even then it's not like wall glitching. It's not the fault of the player when the developers make a game where you are better off sniping with an eryx or pistol, where the medic class massively overpowers the rest, etc. It's just a good concept badly executed with the vast majority of the player base people who hadn't played on-line FPS before. So it comes as no surprise that after being dominated and spawn raped you end up with calls for Internub type rules.

Originally Posted by Herbo

Also thought one of the reasons aK disbanded was because someone ran off with the money from one of their comps?

aK won the BF2 money comps, came back for 2142, won that comp, had a three (?) ticket loss in the Asia Pacific Finals and self destructed as they argued amongst themselves who was responsible.

Originally Posted by Herbo

And after playing briefly with Landaxe (sister hacks aside) I actually have a lot more respect for the guy. He was always trying to make gaming bigger in Australia and had to battle the devil of MMO's with his teams. A guy with good intentions but with a do anything at all to win no matter what attitude.

That's what I admire about Charlie; the will and effort to win, carrying and badgering players who really weren't that interested as time went by. It's supposed to be competitive FPS gaming, not 1920 era cricket.

[AcCeSs-DeNieD]

Originally Posted by Herbo

Maybe Australians have more of a "fair go" attitude?

I did only mention bf2 specifically?

Originally Posted by Herbo

Now things like squad leader rotations and going out of bounds etc I don't consider exploits, I consider them what you consider them. However when the devs specifically state they didn't intend people to be able to dolphin dive or chuck C4 AND fix it, how is it not an exploit? You could chuck C4 for miles and you could make it so only your head was a target as it bounced around in the air while you shot at people. While looking extremely retarded it just wasn't sportsmanlike at all.

So boiling down to facts:
- Player uses movement abilities to dodge fire.
- Player uses C4 to kill people.
- It isn't graphically pleasing to see this. Since it doesn't look 'real'.
- It is unsportsmanlike to use C4 to kill people while dodging fire.
- It is the player's fault since the developer's took over a year to change this. While hitbox detection is still below average.

All is still within game mechanics. Other developers can hotfix, why can't EA/DICE?

Originally Posted by Herbo

Also thought one of the reasons aK disbanded was because someone ran off with the money from one of their comps?

Just double checked on this. The specific incident was 'TiTaN' (Chaos) disappearing with $8k (4 players shares). However, as stated before, the cause for their core players leaving the game was that they were already dissatisfied with the game before the 2 comps finished. In fact, a lot of good players around then were already dissatisfied with BF2's flaws.

Originally Posted by Herbo

And after playing briefly with Landaxe (sister hacks aside) I actually have a lot more respect for the guy. He was always trying to make gaming bigger in Australia and had to battle the devil of MMO's with his teams. A guy with good intentions but with a do anything at all to win no matter what attitude.

Quick question actually, do you think he actually hacked?

[AcCeSs-DeNieD]

Back on topic...

I do applaud EA/DICE this time around for delaying BF3 for greater quality testing... awhile back the original release date was summer 2008 lol.

[Borgod]

Originally Posted by AcCeSs-DeNieD

Quick question actually, do you think he actually hacked?

I think he hacked to either experiment or see if he could get away with it, but was caught.
But I don't think he hacked generally, not after being caught out anyway. Thats just my opinion but.

Tinian: after the Asia-Pacific loss, my understanding is that it was a 'mutiny' of sorts? Abbot was supposed to defend some bridge, and didnt - so he got booted. Laughable considering it was his own team. I suspect Binny had more to do with this than was released.

[Wokeye]

I always considered vanilla BF2 to be a very conflicted game - on one hand, you have persistent stats, unlocks and awards - on the other, excellent teamplay potential, great voice comms and a good mix of roles.

The day I played BF2:PR, with no stats/unlocks/in-game awards for '27 knife kills' etc, I realised that persistent stats are entirely counter-productive to the type of game I want to play (teamplay, reward for good tactics vs twitch skills). I cant see myself going back to a similar type of game (assuming BF3 will have unlocks) but I'm hopeful that someone will mod it shortly after release to allow a more teamplay-based game option.

[Tinian]

Originally Posted by Borgod

I think he hacked to either experiment or see if he could get away with it, but was caught.
But I don't think he hacked generally, not after being caught out anyway. Thats just my opinion but.

I don't know if he hacked, although it certainly spawned a oft repeated line of defence. What I will say for him is if he did, no one else has worked as hard to promote the game competitively, or been skilled enough without hacks to compete at the top end.

Originally Posted by Borgod

Tinian: after the Asia-Pacific loss, my understanding is that it was a 'mutiny' of sorts? Abbot was supposed to defend some bridge, and didnt - so he got booted. Laughable considering it was his own team. I suspect Binny had more to do with this than was released.

I'm not sure tbh Borgod - I wasn't involved.

[edit]Found the post by LandaXe from Aug last year:

Mayhem was not there in taiwan and didn't realise that everyone was focused on the competition bar someone, who was off chatting with people and didn't really understand the strats come gametime. As a result this person choked and the team blamed this person for the loss as he made some really crucial mistakes. While i do think he was fair part to blame, the actions taken towards him were harsh and unnecessary.
The majority of the 2142 team did not want to play with said person anymore and he was forced to leave or be removed.
He's a good bloke, ive met him irl and he didn't deserve the treatment he got, but gaming can be a little unfair at times.

Although not mentioned you may be correct. If by Binny you mean Binstar, I'm not going to comment...

[Borgod]

Originally Posted by Tinian

Although not mentioned you may be correct. If by Binny you mean Binstar, I'm not going to comment...

Why not? For fear he may stab you in the back also?

[Tinian]

Originally Posted by Borgod

Why not? For fear he may stab you in the back also?

TBH I've never been a fan of his. Poor substitute for Malthius imo.

[Borgod]

Howso? Why put Malth on such a pedestal?