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Vassili · 11th June 2012, 3:03 PM

Yeah I was never really sold on the QD mounts, but saw John @ 8541 Tacticals review of the Bobro mount.

He previously did a similar test (but not as in depth) of the ADM Recon mount which I bought, and results weren't quite as spectacular as with the Bobro (but still pretty impressive), but apparently they've made a few changes to the manufacturing process which tightened up the tolerances a bit.

As for the rail, I came to a similar conclusion. As much as everyone seems to have good results with some of the more affordable alternatives, I figured Id buy once, cry once, and never have to think about it again.

Quan-Time · 11th June 2012, 3:16 PM

The best one i heard of was the US NightForce rep showing off how durable the scopes are.

Got the shooter (US military im told) to fire a 3 shot group. Took the scope off, THREW IT IN THE AIR, went and picked it up, twisted the turrets around a few times, returned to the zerostop, and said "ok, now shoot another 3 shot group thru the same holes".

And he did. He repeated this with 10 shooters in one day, with the SAME scope.

Each nightforce scope is individually tested. It is smashed against a solid stand and the zero stop, cross hair drift, focus, everything is testing and re-tested to make sure it is perfect.

How do i know this ? I made the stand that they beat the scopes on and i have personally seen them test the scopes. Worked with NF guys quite closely for a bit.

Vassili · 11th June 2012, 4:28 PM

Not to spam this dudes vids, but you might like this Quan:

Quan-Time · 11th June 2012, 7:49 PM

that was a fairly serious and impressive set of tests.

Only thing i wish they showed was the actual targets as they were being shot. But still, its a VERY interesting video.

Cloudstrike · 11th June 2012, 9:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Quan-Time

cloth is too thick. If its that "military surplus" flannelette style, its great, but too thick for many jags.

Ah damnit.. Can I make use of them with my .22lr if I bought a .17 jag?

Quan-Time · 11th June 2012, 9:20 PM

Roll it up into a cone shaped roll. Insert, push thru. Its a cheats way of doing it. It will bunch up as its pushed and will get much of the gunk out.

Hope this works for you.

Vassili · 13th June 2012, 11:24 AM

$20 off Brownells ($40 voucher for $20) Here

Good stuff, rarely get deals from Brownells/Sinclairs.

Quan-Time · 16th June 2012, 5:30 PM

http://rommie.digitalcrowbar.net/wordpress/?p=86

3d printed AR lower. Theres also an AR15 magazine print (with spring !) if you know where to look.

Few more pieces (upper, foregrip, adjustable stock, few other tiny things) and you should be fairly complete.

All you really want as metal is barrel, bolt and trigger group assy, barrel nut and gas return system.

It would only fire... 10 shots ? Before you have to wait for it to cool down and not melt. The point is, this shit is getting REAL easy to get now. For the "hardcore" home handyman.

Pity i dont have a 3d printer

tenfold · 16th June 2012, 7:34 PM

I've seen a few homemade plastic lower receivers (even one made from pine) recently, and I think one company actually markets a one piece ABS receiver. The upper half is the hard part though, and I don't think anyone's had any success with a plastic one. It does raise a few interesting points though, and with the strength of today's polymers, and the ease of machining, just about anything is buildable in a home workshop. I remember reading a couple of years ago about suppressed Owen guns being made in Melbourne by an underground machinist.

Quan-Time · 16th June 2012, 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tenfold

underground machinist.

harhrahr.. you mean a legit shop which did moonlight jobs. Unless it was actually physically hidden underground. In which case, THATS AWESOME.

tenfold · 16th June 2012, 7:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quan-Time

harhrahr.. you mean a legit shop which did moonlight jobs. Unless it was actually physically hidden underground. In which case, THATS AWESOME.

I like to think that it's the second. A bit like a Walter White's enormous meth lab

Quan-Time · 16th June 2012, 8:10 PM

yeah.. one master tradesman with cancer and a fuked up apprentice with a drug addiction.

Sounds like a few places ive been...

Vassili · 21st June 2012, 12:38 PM

Well Usedguns looks a bit fancier now.. still think $20 per ad is a bit much though.

heist82 · 23rd June 2012, 12:27 PM

Picked up a 91/30 Mosin Nagant last week, took 2 cleans just to get all the cosmoline out of it... And at the shot show last week picked up a vortex diamond back 3-9x scope, pretty nice piece of kit....Also just picked up my Vortex Viper PST MRAD scope this morning, its a little dramatic on the 452 lol....

Vassili · 23rd June 2012, 1:56 PM

Good stuff. Did you go the 6-24 or the 4-16?

Looks like getting a good cheek weld might be a bit rough on the CZ?

11th June 2012, 3:16 PM	#2507
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,364	The best one i heard of was the US NightForce rep showing off how durable the scopes are. Got the shooter (US military im told) to fire a 3 shot group. Took the scope off, THREW IT IN THE AIR, went and picked it up, twisted the turrets around a few times, returned to the zerostop, and said "ok, now shoot another 3 shot group thru the same holes". And he did. He repeated this with 10 shooters in one day, with the SAME scope. Each nightforce scope is individually tested. It is smashed against a solid stand and the zero stop, cross hair drift, focus, everything is testing and re-tested to make sure it is perfect. How do i know this ? I made the stand that they beat the scopes on and i have personally seen them test the scopes. Worked with NF guys quite closely for a bit. __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64

11th June 2012, 7:49 PM	#2509
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,364	that was a fairly serious and impressive set of tests. Only thing i wish they showed was the actual targets as they were being shot. But still, its a VERY interesting video. __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64

11th June 2012, 9:20 PM	#2511
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,364	Roll it up into a cone shaped roll. Insert, push thru. Its a cheats way of doing it. It will bunch up as its pushed and will get much of the gunk out. Hope this works for you. __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64

16th June 2012, 5:30 PM	#2513
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,364	http://rommie.digitalcrowbar.net/wordpress/?p=86 3d printed AR lower. Theres also an AR15 magazine print (with spring !) if you know where to look. Few more pieces (upper, foregrip, adjustable stock, few other tiny things) and you should be fairly complete. All you really want as metal is barrel, bolt and trigger group assy, barrel nut and gas return system. It would only fire... 10 shots ? Before you have to wait for it to cool down and not melt. The point is, this shit is getting REAL easy to get now. For the "hardcore" home handyman. Pity i dont have a 3d printer __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64

16th June 2012, 7:34 PM	#2514
tenfold Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 753	I've seen a few homemade plastic lower receivers (even one made from pine) recently, and I think one company actually markets a one piece ABS receiver. The upper half is the hard part though, and I don't think anyone's had any success with a plastic one. It does raise a few interesting points though, and with the strength of today's polymers, and the ease of machining, just about anything is buildable in a home workshop. I remember reading a couple of years ago about suppressed Owen guns being made in Melbourne by an underground machinist. __________________ "What're you reading?" "Great Expectations." "Is it any good?" "It's not all I'd hoped for."

11th June 2012, 3:03 PM	#2506
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,382	Yeah I was never really sold on the QD mounts, but saw John @ 8541 Tacticals review of the Bobro mount. He previously did a similar test (but not as in depth) of the ADM Recon mount which I bought, and results weren't quite as spectacular as with the Bobro (but still pretty impressive), but apparently they've made a few changes to the manufacturing process which tightened up the tolerances a bit. As for the rail, I came to a similar conclusion. As much as everyone seems to have good results with some of the more affordable alternatives, I figured Id buy once, cry once, and never have to think about it again.

11th June 2012, 4:28 PM	#2508
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,382	Not to spam this dudes vids, but you might like this Quan:

13th June 2012, 11:24 AM	#2512
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,382	$20 off Brownells ($40 voucher for $20) Here Good stuff, rarely get deals from Brownells/Sinclairs.

16th June 2012, 8:10 PM	#2517
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,364	yeah.. one master tradesman with cancer and a fuked up apprentice with a drug addiction. Sounds like a few places ive been... __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64

21st June 2012, 12:38 PM	#2518
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,382	Well Usedguns looks a bit fancier now.. still think $20 per ad is a bit much though.

23rd June 2012, 12:27 PM	#2519
heist82 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 255	Picked up a 91/30 Mosin Nagant last week, took 2 cleans just to get all the cosmoline out of it... And at the shot show last week picked up a vortex diamond back 3-9x scope, pretty nice piece of kit....Also just picked up my Vortex Viper PST MRAD scope this morning, its a little dramatic on the 452 lol.... __________________ Daily: Q6600 @ 3Ghz, Asus P5K-E/Wifi,4x1GB DDR2 1066, MSI 8800GTS OC, Gigabyte Galaxy II Liquid Cooling Kit, 250GB Seagate Sata, 500GB WD Sata

23rd June 2012, 1:56 PM	#2520
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,382	Good stuff. Did you go the 6-24 or the 4-16? Looks like getting a good cheek weld might be a bit rough on the CZ?