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Quan-Time · 4th August 2012, 12:06 AM

i was about to say "apparently enough to warrant spending bulk money on a case annealer"

Im going out for a bit tomorrow.. And because of this, i prepose a challenge to anyone else. Once we all work out the details, it can go live.

RULES:

All guns must be .22 rim fire. You have the choice on ammo. 22MWR, 22LR, 22short, whatever, long as its 22 rim fire and nothing else.

No time limit.

3 Categories for this competition. Iron sight, 4x optics and unlimited optics. So break out the 32x and put it on your rifle for all i care.

50 yards or 46 meters distance.

You must shoot 3 groupings of 5 shots on the one page. Get your average grouping on each target, and average it out. It MUST all be on the one piece of paper. So thats 15 shots on the one sheet.

There is a 2 week limit, and if you submit a sheet, and you shoot a better one the next day, it is VALID. But please dont flood thread with 15 sheets. Best hold off until the last week.

TARGETS:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/85779550/Pr...0024703613.pdf for the print out version.
Taken from http://www.printtargets.net/, you CAN design / print your own target if you wish. This is just template. I personally use 3x3 grid and have 9 targets on the one page.

Accuracy to bullseye DOES NOT COUNT. Long as the groupings are on the target and can be accurately measured, its all OK.

Submitted scores MUST be a "high resolution" photo or scan. Cropping is allowed, but the whole page MUST be shown to prove its one piece. So maybe 1 smaller "whole page" pic, and 3 seperate "zoomed in" pics to verify grouping size.

Whats everyone think ? No prizes other than praise.
Anything i miss ?

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EDIT
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Not sure if this should be a rule or not. Once the competition is over, should we reveal what ammo / gun / setup we used ? Or post it with the results before comp end ? Doesnt really matter, but would be interesting to see what people use.

apsilon · 4th August 2012, 9:56 AM

I'm planning on taking a day off soon to do some load dev for the APRS and Steyr once I have them in my hands so if I can find the time and inclination to take the CZ as well, I'd be in.

You left out one thing though - shooting position. Off hand, bench prone?

Bradzac, that's one way to get started

Bradzac · 4th August 2012, 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heist82

Following up on my other post, i think i want the CZ M40A22 which is a m40a2 in the CZ452 form factor, pretty sweet! anyone know where i could order it?

http://mcmillanusa.com/mcmillan-stoc...ubnav=branch2k

Im going to hawaii in november, going to pick up some bits and peices, hopefully bring back some 10 round ar mags for the future 7615 so i dont have to spend $$$ for the ones here

I talked myself into a McMillan Varmint in Gap camo for a sako quad

Going to build me one of these:

Quan-Time · 4th August 2012, 3:24 PM

OK. Someone with "on target" needs to do some measuring.

I was at the range today, thus i said about the comp last night.

@apsilon

Bench with bipod + bags is fine. We sohuld do a off-hand comp next, at like 25 yards, and 15 yards for pistols.

Anyway, heres a group i shot today. left is winchester power point 42gr MAX, right is winchester 42gr MAX subsonic. (i had to adjust elevation obviously, had about 1.5" drop.)

I cant measure my groups because ON TARGET is being gay on linux.. Not reading the image file properly. Little help please

setup:

Click to view full size!

range:

Click to view full size!

Results:

Click to view full size!

5mb image HERE

Vassili · 4th August 2012, 9:04 PM

Are those targets a specific size Quan? Need a measurement reference for On Target.

Quan-Time · 4th August 2012, 9:17 PM

centre red dot is exactly 6mm, as is each ring from memory.

Vassili · 4th August 2012, 9:27 PM

Top row Powerpoints: 2.1, 1.55, 2.234 for an average of 1.96moa
Bottom row: .725, 1.645, 2.41 for an average of 1.59moa

Vassili · 4th August 2012, 9:33 PM

Subsonics
Top row: 1.75, .827. 1.31 for an average of 1.295moa
Bottom row: 1.715, 1.902, 1.78 for an average of 1.799moa

Quan-Time · 4th August 2012, 9:33 PM

Id like to make a correction. Got out the digital verniers. 7.00mm diameter of the black part, the red centre is 6mm but the line is 0.5mm thick.

ALso, i cleaned my gun fully before firing. Fired the first 5 shots, 1 quick patch, 2nd group, then patch, and fired 3rd group.

No other patching was done throughout the day. How interesting my worst groups were the first of the day on a clean barrel.

Incidently, the subs are freakin dirty. Like, INSANELY dirty.

Vassili · 4th August 2012, 9:34 PM

Wait, nvm, all this was done at 100 yards lol. Ill recalculate.

Done, should all be right, been on the road for far to long today and am a bit scrambled lol.

Quan-Time · 5th August 2012, 9:22 AM

wonder if i could actually pull that off.. a sub 1moa group at 100yards range.

im thinking the 22 would drop off a bit and start to fly around at double the distance.

What ya think ?

apsilon · 5th August 2012, 10:36 AM

I semi regularly shoot my .22 at 100m. I don't think it's impossible but I do think it'd be very difficult. Calm day, ammo that your rifle likes, good optic and I think it could be done.

Vassili · 5th August 2012, 1:05 PM

Average day of shooting. Not your targets Quan, but just for comparisons sake..

The missus decided to put a 30cal through the middle of the target too

Obviously Ill be sticking to the powerpoints (which are what I usually shoot).

heist82 · 6th August 2012, 3:10 PM

picked up a 7615p on saturday, damn i love it, went to the range with my mosin and the 7615p. Pretty accurate... just expensive cos its so quick getting bullets downrange... ordered the warhammer tri rail forend for it on sunday. Im going to hawaii in november so hope to pick up some parts for it cheap like a magpul pisol grip and m4 stock etc.

not looking forward to trying to get more mags for it for a ok price...wonder if i could bring some back with me..

Vassili · 6th August 2012, 4:13 PM

Oh lawdy. Cant say Im a fan of the mall ninja 7600/15 look... and I like "tacticool" stuff haha. Im not sure why everyone is so keen on having a bolt action rifle that looks like a semi...

Having said that, I wouldnt mind a tastefully modified 7600. Saw one with a nice walnut stock etc, looks pretty tasty.

4th August 2012, 12:06 AM	#2656
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,363	i was about to say "apparently enough to warrant spending bulk money on a case annealer" Im going out for a bit tomorrow.. And because of this, i prepose a challenge to anyone else. Once we all work out the details, it can go live. RULES: All guns must be .22 rim fire. You have the choice on ammo. 22MWR, 22LR, 22short, whatever, long as its 22 rim fire and nothing else. No time limit. 3 Categories for this competition. Iron sight, 4x optics and unlimited optics. So break out the 32x and put it on your rifle for all i care. 50 yards or 46 meters distance. You must shoot 3 groupings of 5 shots on the one page. Get your average grouping on each target, and average it out. It MUST all be on the one piece of paper. So thats 15 shots on the one sheet. There is a 2 week limit, and if you submit a sheet, and you shoot a better one the next day, it is VALID. But please dont flood thread with 15 sheets. Best hold off until the last week. TARGETS: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/85779550/Pr...0024703613.pdf for the print out version. Taken from http://www.printtargets.net/, you CAN design / print your own target if you wish. This is just template. I personally use 3x3 grid and have 9 targets on the one page. Accuracy to bullseye DOES NOT COUNT. Long as the groupings are on the target and can be accurately measured, its all OK. Submitted scores MUST be a "high resolution" photo or scan. Cropping is allowed, but the whole page MUST be shown to prove its one piece. So maybe 1 smaller "whole page" pic, and 3 seperate "zoomed in" pics to verify grouping size. Whats everyone think ? No prizes other than praise. Anything i miss ? ----- EDIT ----- Not sure if this should be a rule or not. Once the competition is over, should we reveal what ammo / gun / setup we used ? Or post it with the results before comp end ? Doesnt really matter, but would be interesting to see what people use. __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64 Last edited by Quan-Time; 4th August 2012 at 12:17 AM.

4th August 2012, 3:24 PM	#2659
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,363	OK. Someone with "on target" needs to do some measuring. I was at the range today, thus i said about the comp last night. @apsilon Bench with bipod + bags is fine. We sohuld do a off-hand comp next, at like 25 yards, and 15 yards for pistols. Anyway, heres a group i shot today. left is winchester power point 42gr MAX, right is winchester 42gr MAX subsonic. (i had to adjust elevation obviously, had about 1.5" drop.) I cant measure my groups because ON TARGET is being gay on linux.. Not reading the image file properly. Little help please setup: Click to view full size! range: Click to view full size! Results: Click to view full size! 5mb image HERE __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64 Last edited by Quan-Time; 4th August 2012 at 3:28 PM.

4th August 2012, 9:17 PM	#2661
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,363	centre red dot is exactly 6mm, as is each ring from memory. __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64

4th August 2012, 9:27 PM	#2662
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,380	Top row Powerpoints: 2.1, 1.55, 2.234 for an average of 1.96moa Bottom row: .725, 1.645, 2.41 for an average of 1.59moa Last edited by Vassili; 4th August 2012 at 9:42 PM.

4th August 2012, 9:33 PM	#2663
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,380	Subsonics Top row: 1.75, .827. 1.31 for an average of 1.295moa Bottom row: 1.715, 1.902, 1.78 for an average of 1.799moa Last edited by Vassili; 4th August 2012 at 9:45 PM.

4th August 2012, 9:56 AM	#2657
apsilon Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 4,305	I'm planning on taking a day off soon to do some load dev for the APRS and Steyr once I have them in my hands so if I can find the time and inclination to take the CZ as well, I'd be in. You left out one thing though - shooting position. Off hand, bench prone? Bradzac, that's one way to get started

4th August 2012, 9:04 PM	#2660
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,380	Are those targets a specific size Quan? Need a measurement reference for On Target.

4th August 2012, 9:33 PM	#2664
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,363	Id like to make a correction. Got out the digital verniers. 7.00mm diameter of the black part, the red centre is 6mm but the line is 0.5mm thick. ALso, i cleaned my gun fully before firing. Fired the first 5 shots, 1 quick patch, 2nd group, then patch, and fired 3rd group. No other patching was done throughout the day. How interesting my worst groups were the first of the day on a clean barrel. Incidently, the subs are freakin dirty. Like, INSANELY dirty. __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64

4th August 2012, 9:34 PM	#2665
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,380	Wait, nvm, all this was done at 100 yards lol. Ill recalculate. Done, should all be right, been on the road for far to long today and am a bit scrambled lol. Last edited by Vassili; 4th August 2012 at 9:46 PM.

5th August 2012, 9:22 AM	#2666
Quan-Time Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Radelaide. Posts: 1,363	wonder if i could actually pull that off.. a sub 1moa group at 100yards range. im thinking the 22 would drop off a bit and start to fly around at double the distance. What ya think ? __________________ ----------------------------------------- Damn TLA's, They Confuse everyone!. ----------------------------------------- Laptop Lover ! Linux user - Ubuntu Lucid x64

5th August 2012, 10:36 AM	#2667
apsilon Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 4,305	I semi regularly shoot my .22 at 100m. I don't think it's impossible but I do think it'd be very difficult. Calm day, ammo that your rifle likes, good optic and I think it could be done.

5th August 2012, 1:05 PM	#2668
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,380	Average day of shooting. Not your targets Quan, but just for comparisons sake.. The missus decided to put a 30cal through the middle of the target too Obviously Ill be sticking to the powerpoints (which are what I usually shoot).

6th August 2012, 3:10 PM	#2669
heist82 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 255	picked up a 7615p on saturday, damn i love it, went to the range with my mosin and the 7615p. Pretty accurate... just expensive cos its so quick getting bullets downrange... ordered the warhammer tri rail forend for it on sunday. Im going to hawaii in november so hope to pick up some parts for it cheap like a magpul pisol grip and m4 stock etc. not looking forward to trying to get more mags for it for a ok price...wonder if i could bring some back with me.. __________________ Daily: Q6600 @ 3Ghz, Asus P5K-E/Wifi,4x1GB DDR2 1066, MSI 8800GTS OC, Gigabyte Galaxy II Liquid Cooling Kit, 250GB Seagate Sata, 500GB WD Sata

6th August 2012, 4:13 PM	#2670
Vassili Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD Posts: 4,380	Oh lawdy. Cant say Im a fan of the mall ninja 7600/15 look... and I like "tacticool" stuff haha. Im not sure why everyone is so keen on having a bolt action rifle that looks like a semi... Having said that, I wouldnt mind a tastefully modified 7600. Saw one with a nice walnut stock etc, looks pretty tasty.