Hitman Absolution (5) - Page 9

Philll · 11th December 2011, 1:11 PM

Trailer

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/vg...trailer/724812

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Originally Posted by Fresh79

That video looks OK except for that fucking shit "instinct" crap. 47 could never see through walls or map out the path of patrolling guards by reading their minds. The "cover system" we see now is obviously here to stay and granted it is useful compared to mouse panning around while hiding behind a wooden box to see what is happening, but shit, anyone who doesn't think this is dumbed down console shit is a fuckin noob.

Yeah. It looks to be the definition of dumbed down, I haven't seen anything quite this bad in years. Maybe ever. It definitely looks good, cool, whatever - if you can look at it objectively as a game away from what Hitman is about. As a Hitman game? Get the fuck out. It's like the complete opposite of everything it once stood for.

They say you don't need to use Instinct, but you don't exactly design a game around certain mechanics then expect players to completely ignore them. Just like with Deus Ex 3, the most efficient way to take the enemy out and be rewarded for it out is to sneak around and punch them in the back of the head, so that's what people do. If you ignore that you miss out on a whole lot and it doesn't play nicely as a straight FPS.

It's clearly motivated by greed, the series has always done well in the past, but it was by different people in the company who put the experience before projected sales figures. It would have made money either way. Oh well, less money for them from me.

Sharpe · 12th December 2011, 10:35 AM

My expectations dropped when the developer was saying how 'the old levels were HUGE, now we've made levels into small areas where you only alert the guards in one or two rooms...'

This game isn't hitman.

Sundance · 12th December 2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharpe

My expectations dropped when the developer was saying how 'the old levels were HUGE, now we've made levels into small areas where you only alert the guards in one or two rooms...'

Wow. Why...???

I can't even imagine wider accessibility to be reason for this. A modern-world assassin game can be so easily marketed to be 'cool and trendy'.

Foliage · 12th December 2011, 11:24 AM

I personally think it looks amazing.

Linkin · 12th December 2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Foliage

I personally think it looks amazing.

Yeah it looks amazing. But how does it play? Crysis 2 and MoH both looked amazing pre-release...

Philll · 12th December 2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkin

Yeah it looks amazing. But how does it play? Crysis 2 and MoH both looked amazing pre-release...

The trailer looks amazing, but you don't play a trailer. The gameplay they have released so far looks like a series of steps down a linear path, until they release something from a level that isn't part of the tutorial I don't think anyone can say how it'll play

Foliage · 12th December 2011, 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkin

Yeah it looks amazing. But how does it play? Crysis 2 and MoH both looked amazing pre-release...

I meant looked amazing to play, scroll up and look at the in game demo, going by that it looks like a lot of fun.

The trailer doesn't even look like that tbh.

Sharpe · 12th December 2011, 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Foliage

I meant looked amazing to play, scroll up and look at the in game demo, going by that it looks like a lot of fun.

The trailer doesn't even look like that tbh.

"Press B to do EXTREME TAKEDOWN!"

"Follow the arrow/straight path through the level"

"uh oh! watch out for bad guys! press A to kill them all"

Yeah... this'll be so fun compared to the original hitman games

Even if a game doesn't lead you by the hand, there's usually only one specific way to play a level in a new game - i.e. you have to go under a specific window, which then queues a bad guy to walk over and wait for you to grab + throw them out, then you jump in and the game *wants* you to shoot two baddies, before going to the door at the end of the hall... etc..

It's a sad state of affairs.

Linkin · 12th December 2011, 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Philll

The trailer looks amazing, but you don't play a trailer. The gameplay they have released so far looks like a series of steps down a linear path, until they release something from a level that isn't part of the tutorial I don't think anyone can say how it'll play

That's what I'm saying. The trailer looks good, but the we've only seen a small sample of gameplay. The first mission I think it was.

lithos · 12th December 2011, 4:15 PM

I think we knew all we had to know when 47 dive through a window in a MAXIMUM-XTREEEEEM!!! fashion.

This is shaping up to be the Splinter Cell: Conviction of the series.

And since when was Hitman just a stealth game? I also shudder to think who's voicing him now they've canned David Bateson.

Foliage · 12th December 2011, 4:29 PM

I think you are all exaggerating, though I'm going to guess you guys didn't like the latest Deus Ex either.

Single button takedowns are a great addition, it was a pain in the ass to clumsily take out the neck wire in the early hitmans, half the time I'd end up walking into him and having to reload.

lithos · 12th December 2011, 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Foliage

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Single button takedowns are a great addition

They have movies for that. Just slot the Hitman movie into a DVD player, hit the single-button takedown (also known as the "Play" button) on the remote and WIN!

All the level of interactivity takedown junkies enjoy, with even better graphics!

Foliage · 12th December 2011, 4:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lithos

They have movies for that. Just slot the Hitman movie into a DVD player, hit the single-button takedown (also known as the "Play" button) on the remote and WIN!

All the level of interactivity takedown junkies enjoy, with even better graphics!

What's the difference between a single button take down and pressing inventory, select wire, then moving up behind him and pressing attack?

The latter is clumsy, the former is much simpler? You still have to get behind him undetected.

The amount of whinging that goes on in the gaming forum here is unbelievable.

Philll · 12th December 2011, 4:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lithos

I think we knew all we had to know when 47 dive through a window in a MAXIMUM-XTREEEEEM!!! fashion.

This is shaping up to be the Splinter Cell: Conviction of the series.

And since when was Hitman just a stealth game? I also shudder to think who's voicing him now they've canned David Bateson.

You didn't hear? In one of the older trailers you can hear Mr Generic do a one liner.

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Originally Posted by Sharpe

Even if a game doesn't lead you by the hand, there's usually only one specific way to play a level

No kidding, they were quoted saying it was confusing for players to look at multiple paths so they've reduced it all, something around the lines of "why have 10 doors when you can have two?". Ngggh.

I played the first game when I was 13 and new to PC gaming. If I could figure that game out and play it as it were intended then I have no fucking idea what level of intelligence they're targeting for this iteration, considering it'll have adult ratings.

Let's take at some more nauseating quotes:

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"Most people, I mean normal humans, when they play Hitman games - the old games - they kind of feel like a rubbish assassin that just has to bring out his guns and then start shooting everybody."

(again, I was 13, apparently normal humans only have the intelligence of anything below that)

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We'd rather try to tempt the stealthy players to go into a more action-oriented direction.

Sounds like Hitman to me!

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We'd rather have them do more organic paths, and we found that we needed a tool for the player to be able to anticipate whatever the AI would be doing, so that they could feel safe and not be busted at any random time

Worrying about being 'busted at any random time' comes naturally when diguising yourself and concealing a weapon with the intent to murder somebody. You should not feel safe. You are the worlds most distinguished assassin for a reason, dealing with these situations comes with the territory.

There's plenty more out there and none of it makes the game sound anything like H1/2/3/4 - the evidence is ridiculously overwhelming. I guess for the 50th time we play wait and see to confirm the inevitable.

Foliage · 12th December 2011, 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Philll

I guess for the 50th time we play wait and see to confirm the inevitable.

Have you genuinely enjoyed a game in the last 2 years phill? I don't think I have EVER heard a single positive non whiney post from you.

I'm serious, I've never read a single positive reply from you.

12th December 2011, 11:24 AM	#124
Foliage Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sleepwithyourdadelaide Posts: 23,637	I personally think it looks amazing. __________________ I like to construct strong views on random things, and then argue for absolutely no reason about them.

12th December 2011, 4:29 PM	#131
Foliage Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sleepwithyourdadelaide Posts: 23,637	I think you are all exaggerating, though I'm going to guess you guys didn't like the latest Deus Ex either. Single button takedowns are a great addition, it was a pain in the ass to clumsily take out the neck wire in the early hitmans, half the time I'd end up walking into him and having to reload. __________________ I like to construct strong views on random things, and then argue for absolutely no reason about them.

12th December 2011, 10:35 AM	#122
Sharpe Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wild West Posts: 4,230	My expectations dropped when the developer was saying how 'the old levels were HUGE, now we've made levels into small areas where you only alert the guards in one or two rooms...' This game isn't hitman.

12th December 2011, 4:15 PM	#130
lithos Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 5,400	I think we knew all we had to know when 47 dive through a window in a MAXIMUM-XTREEEEEM!!! fashion. This is shaping up to be the Splinter Cell: Conviction of the series. And since when was Hitman just a stealth game? I also shudder to think who's voicing him now they've canned David Bateson.