Why doesn't this camera exist? Good high ISO, High FPS, 1080p Movie Mode - Page 3

sgn · 15th October 2009, 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by csimpson

But using a DSLR for video is far superior to using a <$10k dedicated video camera, purely due to the interchangeable lens system.

depends on the camera you want to use.
take a look at these ones

http://www.red.com/

Merudo · 15th October 2009, 1:18 PM

they need to have a battery grip that also has a 32 / 64 gb SSD built into it.

That in my opinion would be awesome. no more worrying about if your SD card will cut it for burst images or HD video, lots of onboard storage.

ya3 · 15th October 2009, 1:22 PM

Just to play devil's advocate for a sec... I actually quite like the "look" of video from DSLRs when they're shot through a nice lens. The shallow DOF from a super-fast prime gives the image a film-like look which is very hard to achieve with a regular video camera.

It's kinda similar to experimental systems like mini35, but without the versatility of using tapes or HDD storage. I'd probably use it to shoot a short TVC or quick behind-the-scenes footage at a photoshoot, but nothing more.

Athiril · 15th October 2009, 2:13 PM

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Originally Posted by birdie

I want a Full Frame camera, similar to the 5D MKII but that is lower MP say 12-15MP with better ISO performance and higher FPS for action with the 1080p HD Movie...

None of the current cameras do that even though they could...
-5D MKII has the high MP which doesn't result in the awesome Hi ISO performance of the D700/D3 and also the slower FPS. Also the movie in 1080p is only at 30fps, no 24fps...
-7D is crop sensor (which isn't a deal breaker) but they went and made it 18MP so i guess there goes the High ISO peformance again...
-D700/D3 have the great FPS and ISO perfomance but no HD Movie...
-The newly announced D3s adds 720p (why no 1080p??? this is their flagship model (not counting the D3x which is a different target))
-D300s is crop sensor (again not a deal breaker) but it is the 12MP so thats good, but I'm not sure about the High ISO performance... though I haven't heard it promoted like i have the D700/D3... and again only 720p Movie mode...

Maybe Canon will get it right with the 60D??? who knows... I'd love to see a 60D with 12-15MP with better high ISO performance, reasonable FPS (6FPS at least, maybe take a note from Canon and give a boost when the grip is installed??) and 1080p with 30fps/24fps...

Heres to hoping Canon gets it right...

What's your thoughts?

People that have this resolution and noise mentality piss me off when they clearly just listen to other people saying the same thing without actually putting any effort into actual research apart from e-snobbery opinion, the snobbery part about it is what really pisses me off.

D3x has better dynamic range than the D3 and D700 for example.

"Contrary to conventional wisdom (actually that would be e-snobbery and magazine shitty photo magazine propaganda), higher resolution actually compensates for noise"
http://dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Ins...-offsets-noise!

"The paradoxical evolution of sensor SNR over time"
http://dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Ins...tion-over-time

Athiril · 15th October 2009, 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sgn

depends on the camera you want to use.
take a look at these ones

http://www.red.com/

Well above $10k, and non-existant.

The cheap non-existant scarlets are 2/3" format across the diagonal.

You cant get anything near as good for $10k, which you can build a steadicam, camera with rig and follow focus units and other gear for that.

As opposed to a Canon XL2 or Sony or JVC or Panasonic etc similar camera.

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Originally Posted by Alpha2k6

does 30fps vs 24fps really matter at all ?

If new TVs are 100 or 120Hz shouldnt they be able to show 30fps properly?
In this case 30fps should have a better image quality?

Also why do you need 1080p?? 720p is very good, and saying you don't need more might be like saying 640k is enough for everyone.. but 720p is very very good for home equipment IMHO.

The video on dSLR is more use for people who are not consumers, dSLRs are not for consumers really anyway, there are more compacts in ownership then dSLRs by a long shot, why do you need a 22-24mm or 36mm wide sensor? why not 4mm with 18x superzoom? You dont need more than that for your snaps. Nor do you need RAW, heavily compressed noise reduced JPEG with auto white balance and auto exposure is fine for your snaps. Its not like you do anything useful or worthwhile with a dSLR.

There is a big difference. And TVs have been around before and 100 and 120 Hz LCD TVs.

And still they wont show fine, as broadcast is going to be in 25/50 here, which means you have to drop frames, or frame blend or use other random shit, regardless if your TV plays NTSC home video "snaps" fine, its not fine for broadcast, or DVDs or Bluray for people who produce content - and there are plenty of them.

It has to do with the power rate, PAL for countries on 50Hz AC, NTSC for 60Hz AC, 24 fps is whats shown in cinemas with film projectors.

birdie · 15th October 2009, 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Athiril

People that have this resolution and noise mentality piss me off when they clearly just listen to other people saying the same thing without actually putting any effort into actual research apart from e-snobbery opinion, the snobbery part about it is what really pisses me off.

D3x has better dynamic range than the D3 and D700 for example.

"Contrary to conventional wisdom (actually that would be e-snobbery and magazine shitty photo magazine propaganda), higher resolution actually compensates for noise"
http://dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Ins...-offsets-noise!

"The paradoxical evolution of sensor SNR over time"
http://dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Ins...tion-over-time

That second link isn't working properly...

Ok I wasn't aware of that... so the 5DMkII should have good high ISO performance then... Does it compare to a D700/D3?

But still the 5DMkII doesn't have the high FPS that I'd like for when i shot drag cars and other sports... which i do... and the other thing is the lack of the 24fps in the video mode... though I'm sure they could fix it in a firmware update... i wonder if they ever will???

Pinkeh · 15th October 2009, 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by michael_

its an SLR why do they even need video, i would much rather get rid of video for lower costing or better ISO performance.

I bet its the same reason why people want fridges that dispense ice and cold drinks.

A plain old fridge is fine, but the dispenser sells more fridges.

isaaus · 15th October 2009, 3:59 PM

Has no one heard of 35mm DOF adapters ???

Put a $300 camcorder behind one and use old 50mm f1.4/f1.8

You get all the shallow DOF and 35mm look and way cheaper than 2.5K DSLR with same 50mm f1.4 lens. If DIY interests you, there are crap loads of kits floating around on egay. But to be honest, building a static DOF adapter shouldn`t be too hard.

To be honest i simply cannot understand how anyone can even make video with a DSLR without a proper follow focus system and shoulder mount.

FB008 · 15th October 2009, 4:08 PM

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Originally Posted by birdie

That second link isn't working properly...

Ok I wasn't aware of that... so the 5DMkII should have good high ISO performance then... Does it compare to a D700/D3?

But still the 5DMkII doesn't have the high FPS that I'd like for when i shot drag cars and other sports... which i do... and the other thing is the lack of the 24fps in the video mode... though I'm sure they could fix it in a firmware update... i wonder if they ever will???

Looks like you want the rumoured canon 1ds mk4, though i dunno if you'll get the framerate that you'll want.

Or the 1d mk4, but that will be cropped sensor but you get the framerate you "need".

Just keep on waiting, I wonder who will get bored first.

proffesso · 15th October 2009, 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by it_inspector

Has no one heard of 35mm DOF adapters ???

Put a $300 camcorder behind one and use old 50mm f1.4/f1.8

You get all the shallow DOF and 35mm look and way cheaper than 2.5K DSLR with same 50mm f1.4 lens. If DIY interests you, there are crap loads of kits floating around on egay. But to be honest, building a static DOF adapter shouldn`t be too hard.

To be honest i simply cannot understand how anyone can even make video with a DSLR without a proper follow focus system and shoulder mount.

but then your still stuck with the 1/3" ccd, recording to a highly compressed format. the 5dmk2 was great because the output was far higher than anything under 10k, and its cheap enough that a lot of film makers use them as throw-away cameras (crashcameras)

birdie · 15th October 2009, 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FB008

Looks like you want the rumoured canon 1ds mk4, though i dunno if you'll get the framerate that you'll want.

Or the 1d mk4, but that will be cropped sensor but you get the framerate you "need".

Just keep on waiting, I wonder who will get bored first.

I'm wondering if what Athiril says about High MP compensates for High ISO noise perfomance... then maybe the 7D might be ok... its got the high FPS, its got the 1080p with 24 and 30 (and even 50 and 60fps at 720p) so maybe it might be the camera i upgrade to...

FB008 · 15th October 2009, 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by birdie

I'm wondering if what Athiril says about High MP compensates for High ISO noise perfomance... then maybe the 7D might be ok... its got the high FPS, its got the 1080p with 24 and 30 (and even 50 and 60fps at 720p) so maybe it might be the camera i upgrade to...

Well what are you waiting for then?

See if the high ISO performance is acceptable, then satisfy your needs immediately by JUMPING ON TEH ECONOMY STIMULUS RECOVERY BANDWAGON NAO~!

Though the AF system may suck.

led_blind · 15th October 2009, 5:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BigandY

If wanting better still photography features instead of video capabilities makes me a purist, then brand my ass and call me Jeebus.

Yo JEBUS!!!!! U getting the D3s..... dammmnn those high iso low light shots are impressive!

I want.... and not for video

Tho as a side issue, its kina nice to do vid on an SLR. Not as a dedicated vid cam but nice to have the option.

birdie · 15th October 2009, 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by led_blind

Tho as a side issue, its kina nice to do vid on an SLR. Not as a dedicated vid cam but nice to have the option.

Word!

deepspring · 15th October 2009, 6:12 PM

Who the heck uses a DSLR as a video recorder? seriously, bite the bullet and buy the highest spec JVC camcorder and be done with it.

15th October 2009, 1:18 PM	#32
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ya3 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: WA Awesomeness:Extreme Posts: 2,503	Just to play devil's advocate for a sec... I actually quite like the "look" of video from DSLRs when they're shot through a nice lens. The shallow DOF from a super-fast prime gives the image a film-like look which is very hard to achieve with a regular video camera. It's kinda similar to experimental systems like mini35, but without the versatility of using tapes or HDD storage. I'd probably use it to shoot a short TVC or quick behind-the-scenes footage at a photoshoot, but nothing more. __________________ I think you should visit my website.

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