Year 9 Laptops

[Ogre]

Originally Posted by RSDXzec

how does that make sense? this guy is in yr9, but hes in a senior high school?

what

Ok so there is normal highschool which has years 6 to 12, Rudd has said 9 to 12 are senior. There are also what the state government sometimes refers to as Senior High Schools which only have 11 and 12, these are normally part of a college.

[RSDXzec]

Originally Posted by Ogre

Ok so there is normal highschool which has years 6 to 12, Rudd has said 9 to 12 are senior. There are also what the state government sometimes refers to as Senior High Schools which only have 11 and 12, these are normally part of a college.

my high school has yrs 8-12.

So hes not in a senior high school yet you say you can only obtain a laptop if you are in a senior high school? but he is considered senior at his high school so he gets one?

Originally Posted by Ogre

You wont get one unless your in a Senior High School and even then you wont be able to keep it.

So... you only get one if your classified as a senior in your high school? yr 11 is considered senior at my high school.

This is just going around and around in circles and isnt making any sense :facepalm:

[Ogre]

Originally Posted by RSDXzec

my high school has yrs 8-12.

So hes not in a senior high school yet you say you can only obtain a laptop if you are in a senior high school? but he is considered senior at his high school so he gets one?



So... you only get one if your classified as a senior in your high school? yr 11 is considered senior at my high school.

This is just going around and around in circles and isnt making any sense :facepalm:

Ok sorry you have misunderstood me and I have misunderstood you.

All laptops will be going to year 9 each year for the next 3 or so years.

Current year 10, 11, 12 should not expect to get a laptop at all.

In a Senior High School where there is only Year 11 and 12, they are still getting laptops but it is up to the school who gets them and it is on a loan basis.

[RSDXzec]

Originally Posted by Ogre

Ok sorry you have misunderstood me and I have misunderstood you.

All laptops will be going to year 9 each year for the next 3 or so years.

Current years 10, 11, 12 should not expect to get a laptop at all.

In a Senior High School where there is only Year 11 and 12, they are still getting laptops but it is up to the school who gets them and it is on a loan basis.

ok that clears it up, thanks

that SOB isnt getting my vote
he said he would give them to yr 10,11 and 12 students originally, didnt hear anything about yr 9, but you can never trust a politician aye, always twist what they say
Cheers mate.

[Smoke87]

Originally Posted by oohms

I think if a random ocau user can boot off a usb device on one, they really aren't that secure. Nothing is foolproof.

I am pretty surprised they've come out booting off USB myself. It's something I'll pass onto the TSO to get disabled.

Originally Posted by tensop

No you have not, you're a school tech.

I am always amused when someone tells me I'm making shit up. That's fine, I don't care. I can benefit from my knowledge and perhaps others that want to listen to baseless accusations will fall victim to assigning them popularity.

Originally Posted by matthudson

Something tells me I won't be confiscating my own laptop

No issues there, you can get onto the wireless with any capable laptop

Regional will come in and give you a warning if you bypass the security, if you're just a TSO. Apparently you're something else. Seen it happen.

We have configured our network to only allow access to resources and the internet to machines authenticated with the domain. Connecting to the wireless network gets you nowhere.

You asked what resources I was referring to, and I would like to point out it was from the point of view of what a student will need to do their work.

Originally Posted by matthudson

I never signed one.
EDIT: I have a copy here, can you point out where it disallows me from installing a new OS?

My apologies, I was under the impression you were a student. Clearly this is not the case.

I would point you in the direction of your employment agreement and the agreements you enter into every time you logon to the network.

If you're a TSO, you're also bound by the union directives, IIRC, there was something in there too.

[Ogre]

Your TSO cant do jack

and i doubt matt hudson is a TSO, more like a teacher or a techie hired by the school

[Smoke87]

Originally Posted by Ogre

Your TSO cant do jack

What is that with reference to?

Originally Posted by Ogre

and i doubt matt hudson is a TSO, more like a teacher or a techie hired by the school

Do I detect disdain from you for both TSO's and contracted technicians?

If that is the case, why?

[Ogre]

Originally Posted by Smoke87

What is that with reference to?



Do I detect disdain from you for both TSO's and contracted technicians?

If that is the case, why?

TSO's cant do anything with the laptops, they can pass stuff on to their managers and the managers can pass it on to the regional DER manager. Who can then pass it on to the higher ups before anything gets done.

The only thing a TSO will do it logs calls for laptops to be repaired, troubleshoot minor problems and for anything that requires administrator access they will just re-image the laptop. They are still setting up the infrastructure to re-image these laptops.

A lot of teachers and that thought the TSO had the ability to do anything they want with the laptops, I was in crude terms, pointing out that they cant.

TSO's and Contracted technicians do not bother me I was merely saying I dont think Matthudson is a TSO.

[Smoke87]

Ah, I see.

I remember a union-bitch came to a site and was all friendly once second and menacing BEAST the next when she discovered the TSO had a domain administrator account [not my choice!] and would reset passwords for children when required.

Fired up that TSO's aren't allowed to do this and that, stick to documented responsibilities, etc. etc.

Talk about a waste of resources, the DET is so heavily unionised that nothing is done efficiently.

[Ogre]

Originally Posted by Smoke87

Ah, I see.

I remember a union-bitch came to a site and was all friendly once second and menacing BEAST the next when she discovered the TSO had a domain administrator account [not my choice!] and would reset passwords for children when required.

Fired up that TSO's aren't allowed to do this and that, stick to documented responsibilities, etc. etc.

Talk about a waste of resources, the DET is so heavily unionised that nothing is done efficiently.

There is whole bunch of legal matters involved, after all it is the government. The TSO's are allowed to take on extra duties and is up to the school as to what those duties are.

Delegated access to reset students passwords on a schools domain is a common task.

The TSO's have a hard job.. well maybe not hard just boring and wide in scope, If you look at the job description for a TSO the very last entry is pretty much 'do anything the school says to do'

[matthudson]

Originally Posted by Smoke87

I am pretty surprised they've come out booting off USB myself. It's something I'll pass onto the TSO to get disabled.

No they do not. That's a nice little feature I enabled on mine

Originally Posted by Smoke87

We have configured our network to only allow access to resources and the internet to machines authenticated with the domain. Connecting to the wireless network gets you nowhere.

So you have control over the wireless? How'd you do that? From what I've been told it remains under control of the manufacturer for the next 5 years.

Originally Posted by Ogre

and i doubt matt hudson is a TSO, more like a teacher or a techie hired by the school

Got it there, freelance IT hired by schools because I'm damn good at finding holes in systems (did it for 6 years while in high school ). That and I know a lot of nice little backdoor features in the department SOE.

Originally Posted by Ogre

TSO's cant do anything with the laptops, they can pass stuff on to their managers and the managers can pass it on to the regional DER manager. Who can then pass it on to the higher ups before anything gets done.
The only thing a TSO will do it logs calls for laptops to be repaired, troubleshoot minor problems and for anything that requires administrator access they will just re-image the laptop. They are still setting up the infrastructure to re-image these laptops.

A lot of teachers and that thought the TSO had the ability to do anything they want with the laptops, I was in crude terms, pointing out that they cant.

At the moment, this is how it stands

[AussieTemplar]

I don't know about you guys, but pretty much everything is restricted on the laptops/computers at our school.

Only thing we can open is internet explorer and office programs. I can't change any settings, boot off any USB's (I've tried) and all proxys are blocked under the CEO filters. I'm yet to try an executable proxy, but even then I doubt it will even run.

[Smoke87]

Originally Posted by AussieTemplar

Only thing we can open is internet explorer and office programs. I can't change any settings, boot off any USB's (I've tried) and all proxys are blocked under the CEO filters. I'm yet to try an executable proxy, but even then I doubt it will even run.

You know the DET scans all google cached websites for keywords matching the laptops and then performs a second deeper scan to detect chatter about bypassing the security, then scans facebook with a script that tries to add users based on their username/emails gathered...it then sends an email to the principal of the school that a 4th scan picks up the student name belonging to.

[AussieTemplar]

Yes I know that precisely.

Words like 'sex' 'fuck' 'shit' 'boobs' pop up on the schools internal filters and within 10 minutes you are called to the principals office.

[LINUX]

Originally Posted by AussieTemplar

Yes I know that precisely.

Keyboards like 'sex' 'fuck' 'shit' 'boobs' pop up on the schools internal filters and within 10 minutes you are called to the principals office.

Haha! That's awesome .

If you can get things to run by asking them to run as admin, how hard would it be to run putty?

Port 110 is open in schools (at least on the staff wifi network) so email clients can run. So what you can do is run an sshd at home on port 110 and use ssh tunnels to do anything you want.

I guess the firewall on the machines might get in the way, but it's a step closer.

Oh, and the best thing about this method is that you don't need any login anywhere. Port 110 is open to any computer which the DHCP server that the school chooses to give an IP to. So there's no proxy login etc to trace, only a MAC address.