ATi Fan who turned Green

eastley · 7th November 2009, 7:35 PM

Hey guys.

So after many years on the red side, doing nothing but giving lip to my friends how my 4870x2 slammed anything Nvidia had, I have now gone and purchased a Nvidia card.

This is due to my beloved 4870x2 DYING! First it was shorting itself out, we cured that by re adjusting the back plate, then it artifacted.

While still under warranty, I can not lodge a claim with pccasegear because the cooler is classed as removed! Sucks.

Anyway, so I found a Nvidia GTX260+ local, it will do for now, see what happens next year with cards before making another huge purchase, but I have sort of lost my faith in these expensive cards, last 2 have done just over a year before failing.

Anyway, the GTX260+ is a beast, picked him up for the same price as a ATI 4890, he performs the same just about (Mines factory OC), but the big surprise is how well the drivers went and and worked.

On the fair side though, maybe the x2 ATI cards are just not that good, maybe the single cards perform a lot better as far as drivers etc goes.

I just hope a 260+ can tie me over until mid next year, at least.

Thanks for listening, you have all been fantastic!

radeon_freak · 7th November 2009, 7:46 PM

My last card was a 260+ and it was a great card! I moved over to the dark side (5850) and dont know what everyone is complaining about? The driver installation and everything else was as easy as it was way back when i owned a 9600XT. Not to mention its the same process as installing NV drivers as ati, same shit different smell.

plasmoske · 7th November 2009, 11:04 PM

same shit diff smell indeed
have used from mx400 to 9700pro to 6600gt to x1800xt to 7600gt to 8800gts to 5870
never had a failed card in my life

both driver installation are pretty similar altho nvidias does look more polished
youre probably just having a case of the badlucks

eastley · 7th November 2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmoske

same shit diff smell indeed
have used from mx400 to 9700pro to 6600gt to x1800xt to 7600gt to 8800gts to 5870
never had a failed card in my life

both driver installation are pretty similar altho nvidias does look more polished
youre probably just having a case of the badlucks

Hope it ends soon, I have a Motherboard away RMA, yet to hear back, also in progress of RMAing my CPU.

JamalH · 8th November 2009, 12:22 AM

Why could'nt you just send it in? did you tell pc case gear you removed the cooler?
I would have put it back on and sent it in.

Butcher9_9 · 8th November 2009, 10:39 AM

personally i have had issues with both ATI and Nvidia (just buy whatever is the best value at the time)

TNT2 - no problems
TI42000 - no problems
9800 pro - Ram died and i got an RA, no problems with the second card
7800gt - no problems
SLI 7900gt - SLI issue with due monitors (had to get a third PCI 9250) and these cards started to artifact after 3 months
8800gts - no problems
4870 - no problems
5870 - no problems

the 7900gt SLI put be off dual card setups and now that i have a PCIe raid cards a dual card setup is a no go

just remember that you will always have more problems with a dual card setup than a single card setup and that over time support for that card will wain and as such relative performance will reduce as drivers are optimized for the newer dual card setups

Loop Goose · 8th November 2009, 11:02 AM

Just out of curiosity, what power supply are you running ?

A failed CPU, motherboard and videocard suggest that they may not be getting a clean power feed..

I've owned a mixture of Nvidia and ATI cards, and had problems and no issues with both. I think it varies with batches and series. I had 3 HD4870's, and one had issues, resolved by RMA. I also had a 9800pro die suddenly.

I now have an HD5850 and the latest catalyst drivers seem a lot simpler and smoother to install than most of the drivers I installed in the last year or so.

Teddy Bar · 8th November 2009, 11:06 AM

eastley,
Maybe you should be looking a little closer to home in regards to your failures?

While I am a unfortunate recipient of a DOA (technically working with issues) ATI 5870 I have never had long term issue with any of my hardware either from ATI or ASUS or Corsair or Samsung.

I have 4 computers all running ATI video cards, with 1 low end going into the new server and 2x 3870x2's and 1x3870.

My ATI 9800 Pro only got retired because it was AGP.

Not saying ATI is without faulty cards but ......

Dezza Bot · 8th November 2009, 12:13 PM

My 3870x2 game me nothing but issues. Mostly issues relating to getting both gpus to work at the same time.

Nian · 8th November 2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezza Bot

My 3870x2 game me nothing but issues. Mostly issues relating to getting both gpus to work at the same time.

Perhaps you should check out how well the early dual gpu nvidia cards fared.

Dual GPU was for quite some time a problem, I know people who refuse to get any dual GPU card now because of the trouble they had with both nvidia and ati.

leebaldock · 8th November 2009, 12:39 PM

Stay alive and interested in PC's long enough and you will change "teams" back and forth plenty of times. It's just a video card. Both companies are good. Sometimes one has a better card than the other. Sometimes one has a better bang for buck card than the other. Drivers are drivers. Some are great. Some are shit. Most are adequate.

eastley · 8th November 2009, 12:40 PM

My power supply is a Shaw 300 Watt.

Running:

i7 920 @ Stock
Asus P6TD Deluxe
3x2GB DDR3 1600Mhz
4x Hard Drives
5 Fans
Nvidia GTX 260+
Auzentech Prelude
2 x DVD Burners

It works fine, no issues.

Lardman · 8th November 2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leebaldock

Stay alive and interested in PC's long enough and you will change "teams" back and forth plenty of times. It's just a video card. Both companies are good. Sometimes one has a better card than the other. Sometimes one has a better bang for buck card than the other. Drivers are drivers. Some are great. Some are shit. Most are adequate.

Lies!
(ATi cards since 9600XT awwiighhht)

Nonimus · 8th November 2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eastley

My power supply is a Shaw 300 Watt.

Running:

i7 920 @ Stock
Asus P6TD Deluxe
3x2GB DDR3 1600Mhz
4x Hard Drives
5 Fans
Nvidia GTX 260+
Auzentech Prelude
2 x DVD Burners

It works fine, no issues.

wow I'm surprised really I am, I would get a better powersupply. Not saying to go and buy a 1000W but something better than a shaw 300W.

Mau1wurf1977 · 8th November 2009, 12:50 PM

Is there even a shaw with 300W... Even a $19 Shaw is labelled 600W or so :-)

7th November 2009, 7:35 PM	#1
eastley Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 258	ATi Fan who turned Green Hey guys. So after many years on the red side, doing nothing but giving lip to my friends how my 4870x2 slammed anything Nvidia had, I have now gone and purchased a Nvidia card. This is due to my beloved 4870x2 DYING! First it was shorting itself out, we cured that by re adjusting the back plate, then it artifacted. While still under warranty, I can not lodge a claim with pccasegear because the cooler is classed as removed! Sucks. Anyway, so I found a Nvidia GTX260+ local, it will do for now, see what happens next year with cards before making another huge purchase, but I have sort of lost my faith in these expensive cards, last 2 have done just over a year before failing. Anyway, the GTX260+ is a beast, picked him up for the same price as a ATI 4890, he performs the same just about (Mines factory OC), but the big surprise is how well the drivers went and and worked. On the fair side though, maybe the x2 ATI cards are just not that good, maybe the single cards perform a lot better as far as drivers etc goes. I just hope a 260+ can tie me over until mid next year, at least. Thanks for listening, you have all been fantastic!

7th November 2009, 11:04 PM	#3
plasmoske Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 95	same shit diff smell indeed have used from mx400 to 9700pro to 6600gt to x1800xt to 7600gt to 8800gts to 5870 never had a failed card in my life both driver installation are pretty similar altho nvidias does look more polished youre probably just having a case of the badlucks __________________ Intel Xeon Quad X3320 / Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS4 / Patriot Viper DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 2x2GB OCZ Fatal1ty 700W PSU / Zalman CNPS 9700-NT HSF / Lian Li PC-A70B + Panel-75 1x OCZ Vertex 32GB / 1x WD VelociRaptor 150GB / 4x Samsung HD103UJ 1TB ^RAID5 BenQ 24" FP241W @ 1920x1200x32 / HIS Radeon 5870 1GB / X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty

8th November 2009, 12:22 AM	#5
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8th November 2009, 10:39 AM	#6
Butcher9_9 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Perth , East Vic Park Posts: 1,207	personally i have had issues with both ATI and Nvidia (just buy whatever is the best value at the time) TNT2 - no problems TI42000 - no problems 9800 pro - Ram died and i got an RA, no problems with the second card 7800gt - no problems SLI 7900gt - SLI issue with due monitors (had to get a third PCI 9250) and these cards started to artifact after 3 months 8800gts - no problems 4870 - no problems 5870 - no problems the 7900gt SLI put be off dual card setups and now that i have a PCIe raid cards a dual card setup is a no go just remember that you will always have more problems with a dual card setup than a single card setup and that over time support for that card will wain and as such relative performance will reduce as drivers are optimized for the newer dual card setups __________________ I7 920 @3.33Ghz 1.10V TRU120E ,X58 UD4P, 6X2GB Kingston 1333Mhz, MSI 5870, 2X 2443BW 24" LCD, Adaptec 31605, 128gb G-Skill Falcon , 22.82TB Internal & 160GB External Storage, X680, G15 & MX Revolution Intel E5200 @ 3.0ghz CM TX2, P35 DQ6, 2X2GB Kingston 800Mhz, Sapphire X1550, 1.5TB, Adaptec 1405 and HP 920 tape drive

8th November 2009, 11:02 AM	#7
Loop Goose Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lindfield, Sydney Posts: 902	Just out of curiosity, what power supply are you running ? A failed CPU, motherboard and videocard suggest that they may not be getting a clean power feed.. I've owned a mixture of Nvidia and ATI cards, and had problems and no issues with both. I think it varies with batches and series. I had 3 HD4870's, and one had issues, resolved by RMA. I also had a 9800pro die suddenly. I now have an HD5850 and the latest catalyst drivers seem a lot simpler and smoother to install than most of the drivers I installed in the last year or so. __________________ Successful trades: 279+ Folding@home 190000 club My PC

8th November 2009, 11:06 AM	#8
Teddy Bar Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 85	eastley, Maybe you should be looking a little closer to home in regards to your failures? While I am a unfortunate recipient of a DOA (technically working with issues) ATI 5870 I have never had long term issue with any of my hardware either from ATI or ASUS or Corsair or Samsung. I have 4 computers all running ATI video cards, with 1 low end going into the new server and 2x 3870x2's and 1x3870. My ATI 9800 Pro only got retired because it was AGP. Not saying ATI is without faulty cards but ...... __________________ Cheers, Teddy Bär Always remember you’re unique, just like everyone else...

8th November 2009, 12:13 PM	#9
Dezza Bot Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Coast, NSW Posts: 3,147	My 3870x2 game me nothing but issues. Mostly issues relating to getting both gpus to work at the same time. __________________ "The UK is the only place in the world where anyone talks about AMD or ATI" - Roy Taylor, NVIDIA’s VP of Content Relations

8th November 2009, 12:39 PM	#11
leebaldock Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Perth Posts: 708	Stay alive and interested in PC's long enough and you will change "teams" back and forth plenty of times. It's just a video card. Both companies are good. Sometimes one has a better card than the other. Sometimes one has a better bang for buck card than the other. Drivers are drivers. Some are great. Some are shit. Most are adequate. __________________ PC1\|i7920@3.4ghz\|Asus P6T Deluxe\|MSI 4870x2\|6GB 1600Mhz RAM\| TR Ultra-120 eXtreme PC2\|Q6600@3.0Ghz\|Gigabyte P35-DS3R 1.0 F11\|ATI 4870\|4GB DDR2 800Mhz Laptop1\|Clevo M570TU\|T9400 2.53Ghz\|4GB DDR3 1066Mhz RAM\|NVidia 9800M GT 512MB DDR3\|17" WUXGA\|8x DVD-RW\|500GB 5400RPM HDD

8th November 2009, 12:40 PM	#12
eastley Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 258	My power supply is a Shaw 300 Watt. Running: i7 920 @ Stock Asus P6TD Deluxe 3x2GB DDR3 1600Mhz 4x Hard Drives 5 Fans Nvidia GTX 260+ Auzentech Prelude 2 x DVD Burners It works fine, no issues.

8th November 2009, 12:50 PM	#15
Mau1wurf1977 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Perth Posts: 5,111	Is there even a shaw with 300W... Even a $19 Shaw is labelled 600W or so :-) __________________ Athlon II 250 Geforce 9600GT 2 GB Ram Asrock N68PV-GS